Tissue in cigar boxes?

[Maestroso]

  On 7/2/2016 at 8:24 PM, Colt45 said:

Perhaps (s)he's interested in having a discussion, and not simply harvesting information.......

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With 10,000+ posts on the forum, is that the only contribution you could make to the thread?

[Colt45]

  On 7/9/2016 at 3:44 PM, maestroso said:

With 10,000+ posts on the forum, is that the only contribution you could make to the thread?

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that's all i got

[Maestroso]

  On 7/2/2016 at 1:07 PM, Fugu said:

Maestro, if you know it so well all by yourself, why did you start this thread?

There's a pretty confusion of facts and hearsay, but don't see any avail in addressing that.

Mate, just do what pleases you, but don't pretend to be interested in information.

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Hey, hey. Why would you have the authority to tell anyone here what to be interested in and what to pretend? Or is that something you'd like to have?

Yes, I know a bit and I was looking for objective information rather than opinions when I started the thread. Thanks for your post but, by the way "Prime function of the wax paper is to avoid that the sticks stick to the cedar when it excudes resins."  is just an opinion. And it seems just a half-truth at best, which you are publicly presenting as an axiom. I mentioned that flat wooden boxes come without the glassline and I do believe that its purpose is different, but I am not imposing that version.

I think it's time to close this thread. Meaningful inputs have run out. Still, I think whoever is looking for information about the glassline will find this a helpful thread. It was worth it.

[topdiesel]

Glassine definition/purpose link

This link is to the packaging user's handbook.  It defines Glassine and it's uses.  This might shed some light on it's intended purpose in cigar boxes.  Perhaps moisture protection, shipping damage, bacteria or mold penetration...

It would be interesting to find the original intention of the tobacco industry for their introduction of glassine.  I know other tobacco products such as chewing tobacco have been packaged with it.

Possible communication style differences aside, I think everyone has brought valuable information to this thread.   

[oliverdst]

  On 7/9/2016 at 3:44 PM, maestroso said:

With 10,000+ posts on the forum, is that the only contribution you could make to the thread?

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Easy, bro. Besides 2 or 3 members all the rest are nice guys. Colt is a respected one. No need to argue.

Ow. Yes. I am one of the 2 or 3 ?

[PigFish]

  On 7/9/2016 at 4:38 PM, topdiesel said:

Glassine definition/purpose link

This link is to the packaging user's handbook.  It defines Glassine and it's uses.  This might shed some light on it's intended purpose in cigar boxes.  Perhaps moisture protection, shipping damage, bacteria or mold penetration...

It would be interesting to find the original intention of the tobacco industry for their introduction of glassine.  I know other tobacco products such as chewing tobacco have been packaged with it.

Possible communication style differences aside, I think everyone has brought valuable information to this thread.   

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Bravo mate!

Not long ago, I posted a rather snobbish comment, that I don't really expect to learn much these days on the internet UNLESS I RESEARCH IT MYSELF!!!

Ultimately if it is important for you to know the 'fact' you don't ask it of an opinions based venue's membership. I am not saying that you won't get the facts, but you are likely better off searching it yourself, and then when it comes up again, you can look like the smart guy!!!

This is a prime example of how some people know some information and assume the rest. Personally, I don't think there is anything wrong with that, as long as it is understood that some speculation is presented with some facts. This is largely what has happened here.

I could give a shit about the purpose of glassine! But, I like it... It adds the appearance that someone is attempting to protect the product that I purchase. As it is a barrier between one robust material, wood, and one lesser so, tobacco, it serves that purpose.

As with many things in the tobacco world 'appearance' is important. The appearance of 'quality and care' is apparently more important to the consumer than other factors. The 'appearance' of quality, means quality! It is called marketing...

Now before someone grieves me over speculating I will present the evidence. As I said, frankly, I could care less, but as this turns into another thread where people toes are mashed when all that they needed to do was understand the terms and do a little research... LEAD BY AT LEAST ONE MEMBER NOT TOO LAZY TO DO IT... @topdiesel and finished by me, we can settle the issue.

Of course, this just took me about 10 minutes to research... Ten minutes was all the time it was worth because next time someone asks, and you answer marketing, they will call bullshit on your answer anyway and you will have to dig up the links and docs to prove it again anyway!!!

Ultimately, many of the answers (above) are great ones. But in the end we all missed it. As usual, it was the marketing department that makes the call and does not get the credit. I found the article on Hill Tobacco the most persuasive, followed by the Glassine Packaging Machine Company.

Enjoy!

And by the way... Not long ago I wrote another post with regard to one of the many topics on aging. I cannot recall if I actually posted it or not. I write more than I post, believe it or not. It centered around or contained some additional 'hacks' (not unusual for me) at the collector community with regards to packaging history.

It is funny how many times history will get rewritten to fit a narrative. The narrative today in cigars is aging. So therefore, every effort is and has always been about the benefits of 'aging.' You will note in the Hill article (something I have noted many times in my many hours of research) that in most, if not all of these historical references, that packaging does not play any role in 'aging,' aging as an enhancement anyway. No, quite the contrary! Aging is an enemy to 'freshness.' Freshness was the quality that historically was desired to be preserved.

So next time you start to hear the same old line about 'why' packaging was designed you will know the answer. They did not varnish the box to enhance the aging! That is more BS... They varnish the box for appearance of quality, to sell it for more money!!! It started with the marketing department, and the reason was to give an impression, and the impression was the preservation of "freshness." Not aging!!!

 

[Fugu]

  On 7/9/2016 at 4:26 PM, maestroso said:

"Prime function of the wax paper is to avoid that the sticks stick to the cedar when it excudes resins."  is just an opinion.

I think it's time to close this thread. Meaningful inputs have run out.

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Got it!

You could get a lot of "meaningful" information from me and others here, and I considered plunging deeper into this discussion to provide additional insight on the topic. Yet, growing weary of your enduring aggressive pitch towards contributors instead got me carried away with my response to you in the first place (which may have been put inadequately I have to concede, as Colt adressed rightfully (and which he meant in your defence, as I understood it!), apols for that).

Still, I find myself confirmed.

[RijkdeGooier]

Interesting read one and all. 

I have always thought that the glassine paper protects the cigars from being exposed overly to the effects of contact with the wood of the cabinets (in any form) and maybe adds to the intensity of the intra-cigar maturation of the media (or in olden times even full) ruedas.

This still hold true for the current 50Cab's and 25Cab's, whereby foot or wrapper damage on the outer layer of cigars can occur if you jostle the boxes without the glassine paper.

As was rightfully pointed out the Laguito 1 and 2 boxes currenty hold no glassine or cellohane. It must be noted that pre-1980's these either came in foil (100) or in glassine or in cellophane for the Montecristo line. The Cohiba line was initially packed in cellophane until the 1980's. By the time the glassine/cellophane/foil was abandoned for these viola's, the newer boxes provided better fit and there was no need for a protective layer.

 

Btw all this info is available on Trevor's excellent site for those that care to look and interpret the data. It is not my invention by any means.

 

[Fugu]

  On 7/10/2016 at 8:28 AM, RijkdeGooier said:

Interesting read one and all. 

I have always thought that the glassine paper protects the cigars from being exposed overly to the effects of contact with the wood of the cabinets (in any form) and maybe adds to the intensity of the intra-cigar maturation of the media (or in olden times even full) ruedas.

This still hold true for the current 50Cab's and 25Cab's, whereby foot or wrapper damage on the outer layer of cigars can occur if you jostle the boxes without the glassine paper.

As was rightfully pointed out the Laguito 1 and 2 boxes currenty hold no glassine or cellohane. It must be noted that pre-1980's these either came in foil (100) or in glassine or in cellophane for the Montecristo line. The Cohiba line was initially packed in cellophane until the 1980's. By the time the glassine/cellophane/foil was abandoned for these viola's, the newer boxes provided better fit and there was no need for a protective layer.

 

Btw all this info is available on Trevor's excellent site for those that care to look and interpret the data. It is not my invention by any means.

 

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Spot on Rijkde! This all has to be put into historic perspective of packaging. From the 1930s on, more and more vitolas came in cello, with the exception of SLB Cab boxes.