Prince Harry is a Helluva Great Guy

[jwr0201]

I'm very impressed and proud of the effort that Prince Harry has given to supporting the Invictus Games. He's surely a very selfless and understated individual. Seems like he takes after his mom in giving to others who are less fortunate. The UK has a class act in Harry.

[MIKA27]

I'm very impressed and proud of the effort that Prince Harry has given to supporting the Invictus Games. He's surely a very selfless and understated individual. Seems like he takes after his mom in giving to others who are less fortunate. The UK has a class act in Harry.

The younger generation of Royals certainly seem more grounded and approachable. I guess they need to be considering the times we live in.

[Ken Gargett]

i have no idea if this post is serious or not (without hearing someone actually speaking, impossible to get the tone).

i'd like to think he was maturing but we are talking about the one who dressed up as a nazi, got caught with some appalling racist remarks at sandhurst, was accused of cheating at eton, has been in umpteen brawls after drunken nights out?

be nice to think he is maturing but he has set the bar about as low as it can go.

that said, i remember when i was a lot younger, charles used to cop all manner of accusations and was considered close to box of frogs crazy. i had the chance to have a chat to him many years ago for about half an hour. you could not have met a more level headed, nice guy.

[soutso]

Maybe he has taken after his Dad, James Hewitt

[MIKA27]

i'd like to think he was maturing but we are talking about the one who dressed up as a nazi, got caught with some appalling racist remarks at sandhurst, was accused of cheating at eton, has been in umpteen brawls after drunken nights out?

be nice to think he is maturing but he has set the bar about as low as it can go.

...sounds normal to me Ken. I guess being young, making mistakes is a part of life. I think the crux of this thread was really about the invictus games support which is commendable.

[OZCUBAN]

The next generation of Royals will be just the tonic for the "Firm" they seem to be in touch more with reality,as much as people in their position can be ,must be the commoner blood LoL bumped into the royals on the weekend just past

[MIKA27]

Poms and their Royals

[Ken Gargett]

...sounds normal to me Ken. I guess being young, making mistakes is a part of life. I think the crux of this thread was really about the invictus games support which is commendable.

indeed. no argument if he is actually doing good work.

but then, isn't that kind of his job? his entire reason for being? what else does he do, other than to help bring in the tourist dollars from the purple haired aged tourist set and to fill the pages of supermarket checkout mags?

to me, the ones who deserve accolades and admiration are those with full time jobs, large mortgages, all the usual crap in their lives and yet still put in the time in charities and volunteer work.

but that is not to demean anything that prince potter is doing.

[MIKA27]

indeed. no argument if he is actually doing good work.

but then, isn't that kind of his job? his entire reason for being? what else does he do, other than to help bring in the tourist dollars from the purple haired aged tourist set and to fill the pages of supermarket checkout mags?

to me, the ones who deserve accolades and admiration are those with full time jobs, large mortgages, all the usual crap in their lives and yet still put in the time in charities and volunteer work.

but that is not to demean anything that prince potter is doing.

IMO I completely agree with you mate, most times I do I think the Royals need to somehow justify their "role(s)" so it's best they get a good image to keep the status quo in order to lure more of the younger generation (Steve's hair would be purple too if he had any )

Prince Potter, love it! But if I had to pick a favorite, it would be Harry

[Ken Gargett]

IMO I completely agree with you mate, most times I do I think the Royals need to somehow justify their "role(s)" so it's best they get a good image to keep the status quo in order to lure more of the younger generation (Steve's hair would be purple too if he had any )

Prince Potter, love it! But if I had to pick a favorite, it would be Harry

actually, thinking about it, he is more ron weasley - red hair, not the main character, a bit dopey, odd family.

in fact, you have to think JK Rowling must have used him as her inspiration. in which case we have found a new reason to be pleased the royals exist.

[Zigatoh]

As per the OP I think he's doing a great job, to put him down for what he did in his teens and early adult hood, which wouldn't have been news at all if he wasn't famous seems a bit harsh.

Especially coming from those who seem to have a high regard for sports people...

I'm sure he isn't actually required to do most of these things, could he be sacked for example? I think not. A bit of travel, the odd handshake or kiss a baby and he could call it a day.

Not sure what being heavily in debt/large mortgage has going for it either...

[Duxnutz]

indeed. no argument if he is actually doing good work.

but then, isn't that kind of his job? his entire reason for being? what else does he do, other than to help bring in the tourist dollars from the purple haired aged tourist set and to fill the pages of supermarket checkout mags?

to me, the ones who deserve accolades and admiration are those with full time jobs, large mortgages, all the usual crap in their lives and yet still put in the time in charities and volunteer work.

but that is not to demean anything that prince potter is doing.

I think he's doing a great job. If I was a prince I'd be like Tyrion Lannaster in Game of Thrones; whoring and drinking my life away.....

[Ken Gargett]

As per the OP I think he's doing a great job, to put him down for what he did in his teens and early adult hood, which wouldn't have been news at all if he wasn't famous seems a bit harsh.

Especially coming from those who seem to have a high regard for sports people...

I'm sure he isn't actually required to do most of these things, could he be sacked for example? I think not. A bit of travel, the odd handshake or kiss a baby and he could call it a day.

Not sure what being heavily in debt/large mortgage has going for it either...

as i said, if he has stopped the crap, good on him.

is the comment re regard for sports people directed at me? i think, not that i would suggest anyone be bothered, you'll find far more posts on this forum, criticising the actions of "sports people" by me than by anyone else. feel free to have a look if you wish, perhaps before a comment like that?

as for royal duties, i'll bet that they are extensive (far more than will ever be made fully public - indeed, the royal family does have my sympathy for that: i think it would be stupifyingly boring) - perhaps less so for those a little down the chain such as harry. he would be patron of all manner of charities etc. a lot of these would be by way of the protocols in place for many many years. he'd have a fair bit to do. a great deal more than kissing the odd kid.

i mentioned mortgages but made no mention whatsoever of being heavily in debt. fascinates me how often people concoct things on this forum and then attribute them to others. but no matter and yes, i can see the link but it was not something i actually said.

my point was basically that i am far more impressed by those who are full time with "normal" life, for want of a better term, and still give of their time and effort. i will say that was on of the things that stunned me when i worked in the states - so many people there worked huge hours (i'm thinking specifically of those at the law firm i was with, but it certainly went beyond that) and yet still gave up their spare time to help charities and those less fortunate. i don't know if it is still that way but americans, at least in my experience, were far more giving in that sense than we were/are. i was simply saying that they are the people who impress me. not someone for whom it is part of the job description. and gets to go home to a palace with endless servants and obscene amounts of wealth.

but as i said, that doesn't demean anything he does and if he is more focused on it now, good for him.

[Zigatoh]

Ah I know a lot of comments are criticising sports people but there is a general support of sport as it were, though that was a slightly tongue in cheek comment.

It did make me think about what his actual required duties are and I can't find anything specific, but these sites have plenty of information on what he actually does, just impossible to tell how much is required -

https://www.royal.uk/prince-harry

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Harry

The mortgage thing is just a difference of opinion then, I consider a large mortgage to be a heavy debt so have always avoided stretching my finances in this way.

Didn't know that about Americans, is that a general thing? possibly related to a more religious country? Definitely not an experience I can say I have had in the UK..

[jwr0201]

Personally, I don't care what a person's past is when they step up and honor some real heros who have gone WAY above and beyond. If only the bloated, self serving politicos in the US could take note. Alas, there's no monetary gain for them, so not likely to happen. You go, Harry! Diana would be proud! (Yeah, most of us Yanks have a soft spot for her - a real class act!)

[Fugu]

to me, the ones who deserve accolades and admiration are those with full time jobs, large mortgages, all the usual crap in their lives and yet still put in the time in charities and volunteer work.

Not sure what being heavily in debt/large mortgage has going for it either...

Completely missing the point, Zig.

[Zigatoh]

Didn't miss the point fugu, it's a very respectable point, I just don't think the inclusion of stretching yourself to a large (assuming this is a comparative term to the individuals income) mortgage is a necessary or even good inclusion in the point. Just my opinion.

[Zigatoh]

One question - due to his birth right, and or behaviour in the past, can Prince Harry ever earn the same level of respect as a decent hard working charitable volunteer worker as described by Ken?

Maybe have a squizz at those links describing his charitable work, and how he enlisted and has done two tours of Iraq, and so on before responding.

[RWhiz]

...I guess I didn't realize that men gave a damn about the "Royals" aside from baseball of course. I figured it was a high drama chick thing.

[Fugu]

Didn't miss the point fugu, it's a very respectable point, I just don't think the inclusion of stretching yourself to a large (assuming this is a comparative term to the individuals income) mortgage is a necessary or even good inclusion in the point. Just my opinion.

Still missing it, sorry. I am not going to repeat what Ken has laid out so clearly. It is his JOB. Being charitable is what Royals do "99 percent" of their precious time. And Harry even gets a good publicity and press out of it. Like Ken, I am not dismissing what he's doing (actually, he's turned out a really nice bloke, I think, he has my sympathy) but I really don't feel people need to give him special accolade for that.

And it appears he even had some good fun, didn't cost him a whole lot of altruism doing it.....

Edit: Missed to address your "central" point (as it goes without saying for me). Ken's picture of people having to pay their bills and mortgages was to illustrate that these men and women allocate a considerable part of their time, freely and unpaid for charitable work, while and although they still could use it to do paid or unpaid work for themselves and their loved ones at the same time. I know what I am talking about, as you can count me among one of them idiots.

[Zigatoh]

Like I say I didn't miss the point, or to see the point are you saying I have to agree?

Edit - just to clarify I think those people deserve accolades and the utmost respect. I also think Harry deserves respect for what he has done.

[Fugu]

Like I say I didn't miss the point, or to see the point are you saying I have to agree?

See above, just added that point to my post...

[Zigatoh]

If this is true Harry is paid for his military career and has an income from money invested for him and William by Diana -

http://www.discoveryfinance.com/how-much-do-british-royal-family-make-annually.html

It looks like Charlie funds a lot of what they do, though he gets a good old chunk from the taxpayer and Buckingham palace gets a very hefty chunk, and another one from the Duchy business -

http://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/411034/Prince-Charles-paid-1m-a-year-to-support-Prince-William-and-Harry-in-official-duties

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2350699/First-Queen-Prince-Charles-enjoys-pay-rise-Welcome-boost-meet-growing-demands-William-Kate-Harry.html

Not sure what that grant is all about.

Either way Harry could do quite happily on his career and investment income,and the additional for the charitable work we are discussing 'should' be for covering costs (though this includes wardrobe for example) as opposed to being an actual income.

[Ken Gargett]

One question - due to his birth right, and or behaviour in the past, can Prince Harry ever earn the same level of respect as a decent hard working charitable volunteer worker as described by Ken?

Maybe have a squizz at those links describing his charitable work, and how he enlisted and has done two tours of Iraq, and so on before responding.

i actually think you are missing the point but perhaps we are missing yours and we are just at cross purposes.

your question above though, is a really good one and one i have considered before. i think that the answer is possibly but it would be very difficult (and that is not on him so much as simply from where he starts) and for me, he is nowhere near it yet.

that said, the enlisted bit - again, effectively part of the job description. second son of the current royal. go back to andrew, then liz's dad and so on. it is what they do and what is expected. had he not, i suspect he would have copped endless flack from the british press and much of the people. it really is expected. to avoid it, he would have really had to come up with something good - ten years in a leper cave or something. but you can bet that, despite what the PR hacks might have you believe, he would have been well sheltered and not allowed into any truly dangerous situations, or they would have been very well monitored. that is not down to him. simply would have been the most massive PR disaster to have him badly hurt or killed. or worse, captured by lunatic terrorists and beheaded on video.

re the sports - fair enough (as my first post re the royals said, loss of tone does lead to misunderstandings). yes, love a number of sports but hate the way so many sports people behave. actually had a post on tomic ready to go and then the little **** exceeded his previous crap and made it worthless.

re the americans and their charities, i've lived and worked in both the UK and the USA and here, of course. my experience - i was based in DC so no idea if that influenced things and it was over two decades ago so i have no idea if it remains so - was very much that your average american was far more inclined to give of his time and effort and cash to charities. it was something that has stuck with me so it must have been fairly significant.

i still think that if harry turned around and said he was off to get a real job and live on what he has that the pressure from the press and people, not to mention family and official channels would make it impossible. he is stuck.

[Sunsmoke]

Class act he is, and his escapades in Vegas a few years back show he's a proper LAD too!

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