El Presidente Posted February 26, 2015 Author Posted February 26, 2015 How do you determine the quality of foil wrapped cigars like RyJ Cazzies? With cigars that only comes in tubes do you have to open up every stinking one of them to check for quality? Don't check them as a rule. That is why you don't see them come up on 24;24 unless as a special and I will put "not inspected"
Smallclub Posted February 26, 2015 Posted February 26, 2015 How do you determine the quality of foil wrapped cigars like RyJ Cazzies? With cigars that only comes in tubes do you have to open up every stinking one of them to check for quality? There are very few cigars that come ONLY in tube. Only one comes to mind: the Montecristo Tubos. Add to this that checking them would mean checking all the cigars, as a box of tubos can come with 25 different wrapper's hues.
sw15825 Posted February 26, 2015 Posted February 26, 2015 Trinidad Reyes Trinidad Coloniales Trinidad Fundearlierr?&J Short Churchil Cohiba Maduro 5 Series Sad to see Trinidad with no love these days. I love some good reyes. Has this poorer quality begun in 2014? Or earlier Rob ?
Guest Robo Posted February 26, 2015 Posted February 26, 2015 Don't check them as a rule. That is why you don't see them come up on 24;24 unless as a special and I will put "not inspected" Could you pick tubes and wrapped cigars based on their box codes? As you've already mentioned, certain box codes lean towards high quality on the bell curve. Siglo VI with an MOU code would probably yield great results.
Notsocleaver Posted February 27, 2015 Posted February 27, 2015 There are very few cigars that come ONLY in tube. Only one comes to mind: the Montecristo Tubos. Add to this that checking them would mean checking all the cigars, as a box of tubos can come with 25 different wrapper's hues. The one that I was thinking of specifically was the H Upmann Coronas Major. Been debating between getting them and the Petit Corona. For what I have gleaned reading old threads, it seems like El Prez' report on recent HUPCs was much more positive than in the past and I was curious if the CM were experiencing the same upswing.
aushy Posted February 27, 2015 Posted February 27, 2015 Thanks Pres! I'm glad you somebody asked for this information because I've been wondering it myself. Very informative.
terrantheman Posted February 27, 2015 Posted February 27, 2015 Why I frequent this site and I am willing to pay more because I have a better grasp on my cigars. 1
TypicalSituation Posted February 27, 2015 Posted February 27, 2015 The whole system was based on "Rob, what is smoking well now?" Right now I am loving the R&J Churchills and I never thought that would have been the case 18 months ago. You have to smoke current stock to gauge what is going on (if you are in the trade). I hope that I have shown that there is no mystery to the selection process. Simply a way of maximising the chance of a very good experience in the tasting either short/mid/long term. I'm holding out for some nice r and j Churchills in 24:24! Was the first cigar that I ever nubbed and was like wow, this is what it's all about. 1
JohnS Posted February 27, 2015 Posted February 27, 2015 I'm holding out for some nice r and j Churchills in 24:24! Was the first cigar that I ever nubbed and was like wow, this is what it's all about. I picked up some in a 24:24 sale a few weeks ago. I'm sure they'll come around again soon.
KGM Posted February 27, 2015 Posted February 27, 2015 Excellent thread! Thank you very much for the info Prez!
jfettlol Posted February 27, 2015 Posted February 27, 2015 appreciate the info. i cannot get over the immense difference in wrapper appearance.
Ted Posted February 27, 2015 Posted February 27, 2015 Thanks Prez for putting this together, just what I was looking for, seeing what crappy boxes look like. Guess I'll only be putting my coin here.. Bye bye buying blind!
sanity Posted February 27, 2015 Posted February 27, 2015 Very informative. It's nice to have access to this wisdom and focus on enjoying the smoking experience. It would take me years to see what Rob sees in a couple of months. I'll enjoy the fruits of his labor. Thanks
El Presidente Posted February 27, 2015 Author Posted February 27, 2015 Sad to see Trinidad with no love these days. I love some good reyes. Has this poorer quality begun in 2014? Or earlier Rob ? The Trinidad Death Spiral has now gone back at least 5=6 years and possibly more. I do pull the occasional small seam of quality but overall the highest fail rate of any marque. 1
El Presidente Posted February 27, 2015 Author Posted February 27, 2015 Could you pick tubes and wrapped cigars based on their box codes? As you've already mentioned, certain box codes lean towards high quality on the bell curve. Siglo VI with an MOU code would probably yield great results. You enhance your chances no doubt. i know members here have had some great results with Boli Royal Corona Tubes over the pat 12 months. On an aside issue, Minor white mould in tubes is common. If you are going to freak out at white mould, best you avoid going shopping for tubes
El Presidente Posted February 27, 2015 Author Posted February 27, 2015 The one that I was thinking of specifically was the H Upmann Coronas Major. Been debating between getting them and the Petit Corona. For what I have gleaned reading old threads, it seems like El Prez' report on recent HUPCs was much more positive than in the past and I was curious if the CM were experiencing the same upswing. I really don't smoke any H. Upmann Corona Major Tubes. I think it was in Cuba in November that one of our reprobate group commented how he smoked a ton of them and that they were excellent. You have me intrigued. I will give one a crack next week. Here in Oz, Upmann Corona Major/R&J 1/2/3 Tubes/Punch Coronation Tubes are very much the domain of corner tobacconists and liquor stores. I am not meaning to denigrate them. i had a very good R&J 2 Tube last year where I bought something on a night out in the Cross. Nothing complex but good, solid, flavoursome toasted tobacco.
JohnS Posted February 27, 2015 Posted February 27, 2015 Here in Oz, Upmann Corona Major/R&J 1/2/3 Tubes/Punch Coronation Tubes are very much the domain of corner tobacconists and liquor stores. I am not meaning to denigrate them. i had a very good R&J 2 Tube last year where I bought something on a night out in the Cross. Nothing complex but good, solid, flavoursome toasted tobacco. Spot on Rob! I started my cigar journey on these tubos. Actually, I had a few bad RyJ tubos, but for some reason I was able to score quite a few good and solid Punch Coronation Tubos.
kwsaw63 Posted February 27, 2015 Posted February 27, 2015 The Trinidad Death Spiral has now gone back at least 5=6 years and possibly more. I do pull the occasional small seam of quality but overall the highest fail rate of any marque. That's so sad. I love the Fundadores and have a 2011 box that (thankfully) has been more hit than miss.
spirit Posted February 27, 2015 Posted February 27, 2015 Great thread, such an invaluable resource to understand what is likely to be smoking well and which stuff to avoid. I'm very grateful to you Rob for taking the time, not just to pick through the stock but also taking the time to write up your thoughts and answer the various questions posed to you. Cheers! 1
vinnyvega Posted February 27, 2015 Posted February 27, 2015 I am wondering if a lot of rejected boxes that are sent back end up at grey market vendors. This is great, Rob. Thank you.
dflan82 Posted February 27, 2015 Posted February 27, 2015 Great thread, such an invaluable resource to understand what is likely to be smoking well and which stuff to avoid. I'm very grateful to you Rob for taking the time, not just to pick through the stock but also taking the time to write up your thoughts and answer the various questions posed to you. Cheers! Couldn't agree more! Thanks as always for your hard work, Rob
sw15825 Posted February 27, 2015 Posted February 27, 2015 Spot on Rob! I started my cigar journey on these tubos. Actually, I had a few bad RyJ tubos, but for some reason I was able to score quite a few good and solid Punch Coronation Tubos! Bit off topic, but Ive had mixed results with the above tubo cigars. Not overly complex and seem to need some significant rest to get good. An RYJ # 1at I was gifted once and I believe it was older stick tasted like pure dark honey and clean toasted tabacco. 1
Olga Posted February 27, 2015 Posted February 27, 2015 Question please.. Is a darker wrapper better? If so, how can you tell it will be a better cigar just buy the looks?
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