Just enjoying the most perfect cup of coffee...

[Zigatoh]

Nothing needs explaining any more Stig, the information in your posts is as clear as the tone.

[StingMeadery]

Haha it's all good guys ...

Thanks for having my back Zig, I really appreciate the friendship and considerate backup

Stig ...your enthusiasm is causing you to move into a "more fuller bodied roasting" and I can only hope you can "extract" the hint from the on list etiquette feedback

Just gotta work on your delivery my man...nothing wrong with being right, just need a little refinement in expressing yourself.

No harm, no foul...

[PapaDisco]

I dunno Stigmata, you can't bring the chocolate flavors out of a bean without a super dark, oily roast. Sure it will gum up your grinder, but it's more than worth it!

Anything lighter is for for folks who like those nutty flavors in their Joe. While there are many nuances in coffee, to me the world seems to divide into those searching for the nutty flavors, and those searching for the dark chocolate tones. In Vietnam the first is Highlands and the second is Trung Nguyen. That's a very crude hack at the division, but I rarely see someone who prefers one to end up liking the other. It's all very palate specific.

That bag 'o beans that Sting was flashing looked worthy of a breaking-and-entering charge! :-)

[stigmata]

errrrrr why bother choosing beans if for looking for chocolate notes?

you purchase good beans to get chocolate and everything else you're looking for.

character in a bean won't come out in a dark roast

you're extracting carbon not chocolate.

heaps of origins will give you chocolate plus plus all kinds of other things without taking it to a dark roast...

Yes my delivery is great my execution is crap....

just one more thing.. nobody bus great beans and has them roasted dark.. that's the domain of filler beans and mediocre.

why world anybody post premium price and have it roasted so the beans character is roasted away? you'd hey the same result with cheap beans.

sting by no means is it am attack on you.. but I did use your beans as a class lesson.

of anybody is interested in picking anything from that up and expanding their experiences into the world of coffee that's a great thing...

how do I talk about Vietnamese luwak dark oily beans and explain to others what's what?

it's hard to do sensitively... your not collateral damage because you enjoy them and have been classy all along.

probably unlike my execution

I may have ignored the education lesson and left it alone I suppose...

but if more people gained anything out of it I suppose it's a positive.

people like guante

[Optic101]

Just wanted to share some tradition of coffee in our region.

The traditional coffee or Kopi Malay / Indonesian style.

It is a very dark and sticky roast also called Thick Coffee.

Btw. this is one of my favourite if I am around town and go for a coffee of better

mixed with sweet condensmilk. "Kopi SuSu"

A nice story of a food blogger below:

http://johorkaki.blogspot.sg/2013/06/sai-kee-coffee-434-in-muar-johor.html?m=1

"To make traditional kopitiam coffee, the beans are roasted with margarine, sugar, sesame seeds and other ingredients. This style of roasting coffee beans is unique in Malaysia and Singapore. Here, workers are air cooling the freshly roasted over 200ºC hot beans by spreading them out using shovels.

The roasted beans are oily and tacky, caked and stuck to the shovel - a bit like that stubborn used chewing gum stuck to the bottom of our shoes."

[Fuzz AI]

Love Malaysian kopi!

[DrunkenMonkey]

Love Malaysian kopi!

Me too! My favorite ever. But I'm waiting nervously for the explanation of why we're wrong to like this delicious coffee.

[ramon_cojones]

Just not sure why op mentioned the price in the original post?

[DrunkenMonkey]

Just not sure why op mentioned the price in the original post?

Is there a problem with that?

[ramon_cojones]

Not sure if serious? Go back and read opening line and if you disagree, well you disagree and not much else to add.

[scheskie]

When my girlfriend and i went to dal lat in vietman we visited a weasel coffee farm for the day and got to see the processes the coffee has to go through to get certified (quite a bit). Then we got to handle and play with the weasels all the while drinking weasel coffee was a great day.

[StingMeadery]

Just not sure why op mentioned the price in the original post?

Just... because I had already guzzled 2 kilos all the while totally oblivious to the reality of the cost and then he told me what it was actually worth (in NZ $) as he gave me another kilo !!!

I nearly fell over, it was so deliciously vulgar I had to share

$Unobtanium

But then again might just be a "big noting poser" haha

[...]

Just... because I had already guzzled 2 kilos all the while totally oblivious to the reality of the cost and then he told me what it was actually worth (in NZ $) as he gave me another kilo !!!

I nearly fell over, it was so deliciously vulgar I had to share

$Unobtanium

But then again might just be a "big noting poser" haha

I agree with the "big noting poser"

Now back to original broadcast, please resume posing about the good stuff

[StingMeadery]

I agree with the "big noting poser"

Now back to original broadcast, please resume posing about the good stuff

Just as well I didn't specify how much I paid that Orca to swim past

[...]

Just as well I didn't specify how much I paid that Orca to swim past

We all know it's one of your shooting buddy who paid for the orca anyways

The bling I have I tend to not show on purpose (not that I have lots of said expensive things) but I totally get the joy people have from sharing what makes them happy and the pleasure most people get from enjoying with their eyes and feeling a part of the fun.

Two things:

1- I truly found interesting all the info and opinions shared about the good and bad associated with coffee and its derivatives in this thread. I am curious about everything and never feel like I know too much about anything.

2- It's sad to see people take anything the wrong way. I don't get why (apart from trolling) anybody would get their feathers roughed on an internet forum, less so in such a clean and safe one like this.

We're all in this together, probably better to try and see the positive in things.... now is as good a time as ever

[StingMeadery]

We all know it's one of your shooting buddy who paid for the orca anyways

The bling I have I tend to not show on purpose (not that I have lots of said expensive things) but I totally get the joy people have from sharing what makes them happy and the pleasure most people get from enjoying with their eyes and feeling a part of the fun.

Two things:

1- I truly found interesting all the info and opinions shared about the good and bad associated with coffee and its derivatives in this thread. I am curious about everything and never feel like I know too much about anything.

2- It's sad to see people take anything the wrong way. I don't get why (apart from trolling) anybody would get their feathers roughed on an internet forum, less so in such a clean and safe one like this.

We're all in this together, probably better to try and see the positive in things.... now is as good a time as ever

Nicely said Jean, we are all family here, it's a place you can be yourself, have a laugh, be a **** sometimes and still have friends left over

Accepting one another for who we are is what it really is...

Some people just can't handle too much awesome lolz

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Now, let's all sit back and light up a great one from deep in the humi

[Lotusguy]

I've still yet to try this monkey poop coffee

[ramon_cojones]

Just... because I had already guzzled 2 kilos all the while totally oblivious to the reality of the cost and then he told me what it was actually worth (in NZ $) as he gave me another kilo !!!

I nearly fell over, it was so deliciously vulgar I had to share

$Unobtanium

But then again might just be a "big noting poser" haha

Ah I gotcha, if it was worded that way it would have been perceived differently.

I've still yet to try this monkey poop coffee

I've got some great giraffe poop coffee for sale at $10k per kilo if you're interested

[Fuzz AI]

Whether it is Kopi Luwak, Yemeni, Malaysian Kopi, or some beans you ate - pooped - roasted and sold as Kopi Lelaki , it's all good!

[stigmata]

good to see some stimulated conversion about coffee.

personally I wouldn't get upset if anybody told me those cuaba diademes I've been hoarding were crap... but I haven't got stuck into them yet because you're all saying they're going to be crap.

I have been taking everything on board that rob and ken have been saying... usually it's not very nice..

.HOWEVER.. when they do come out on their tenth birthday I know I'll probably have a collectible. I really do not expect them to be around in four of years and you'll all be tripping over yourselves to buy them as a regional release....

my point isn't too bag peoples taste but to help educate. I know better than most people taste and palate is personal and subjective.

the amount of times I recommend a fantastic coffee to a client to stock and it doesn't take off... with people preferring and swearing by supermarket coffees that have been aged like a great vintage wine.. or coffee pods etc is out of the stratosphere.

still it doesn't stop me from trying.. cupping and recommending stuff I think I'd exquisite and trying to get people to understand coffee cigars scotch rum champagne treas and so on...

it's one of lifes great delights to help people around you understand things that you maybe are exposed to buy they're not

this was by no means a smack on the head on my kiwi cousin... but am attempt to educate whoever is reading the thread.

of it came across that way.. I apologise sincerely.

. but I'm also at a loss to understand why people felt like it was a personal attack on somebody.

I like Malaysian coffee too... but I wouldn't recommend it as a proper coffee drink.. same work Starbucks etc.

you see the coffee is not the hero of the drink anymore.. condensed milk and in Starbucks case flavouring and sugar is...

can I also add in a country where Italians came with the espresso machines under their arms through customs... we don't appreciate Starbucks.. as a matter of fact they all closed down and went home unable to cope with the local coffee cafe competition..

we don't usually roast dark.. coffee here is ambrosia even though much of it is hidden under milk...

having said that we take great pride in coffee and coffee making and you'll get a pretty good espresso on just about every block in every city in this country...

and of course i don't know everything about coffee.. bit i do more than the average coffee drinker. roasting and having been to coffee farms and coffee prepping mills at the source helps.

currently roosting twenty six different origins from every continent also gives me a leg up.

don't hate me... I don't hate you that's why I contribute when I can.

stigmata.

[Fuzz AI]

Next time you drink Malaysian kopi, order kopi kosong, ie no sugar or condensed milk.

[CaptainQuintero]

I like my coffee filled half with milk, a teaspoon of sugar and having had it been in the fridge for a few hours so its very chilled

Barbarian

[stigmata]

fuzz is that the traditional style like the Indonesian coffee in the pot you have in villages?

yeah if it's the same I have that in Indonesia sometimes.

not far removed from my earliest memories of drinking coffee.. Greek/ Turkish style...

just that it's one hundred percent robusta in Java... makes me jittery...

[Fuzz AI]

Pretty much, stigmata. It's how my grandmother used to make it. Just make sure that whatever container you're gonna brew it in, you never want to use it for anything else! Damn stuff permanently stains everything it touches... including your insides!!

CQ, you rebel!