jayceskinner Posted February 13, 2014 Posted February 13, 2014 Not sure if this is relevant but has anyone noticed that duty free is no bargain any more? And in some places, like my recent trip to Italy, the prices were higher than our liquor stores here? What's with that?i thought they were supposed to be, you know, ... I noticed this on my trip to South Africa. I bought a huge amount of whisky through the duty free but when I went to check out the prices for cigars I couldn't believe the prices. They must be adding some form of tax or something to the price.
galtline Posted February 13, 2014 Posted February 13, 2014 I wish my job was to sped others money. Government one big waste.
johnhenry Posted February 13, 2014 Posted February 13, 2014 That is just painfully stupid. Are you guys able to get cigars shipped without paying taxes?
Rye Posted February 13, 2014 Posted February 13, 2014 That is just painfully stupid. Are you guys able to get cigars shipped without paying taxes? It's a crap shoot at the border. They charge about 325% of declared amount when they catch them
fookite Posted February 13, 2014 Posted February 13, 2014 In case you're wondering how the math works on that. Let's say a BRC is $8.50. $8.50 * 1.67 (Federal tax) = $14.195 * 1.3 (Taxable price) = $18.4535. + 103% (to a maximum of $6.27 in Alberta) gives you $24.72. Now unfortunately you forgot to take into account that you paid US dollars, so that's $24.72 - $8.50 = $16.22 US (*1.12) or $18.17 owing in Canadian duties and excise taxes resulting in a total cost to you of $27.69 Canadian assuming no markups by the retailer. So... not $42, then?
Cigar Surgeon Posted February 13, 2014 Author Posted February 13, 2014 So... not $42, then? The $42 figure is what I've seen as a high water mark in a B&M for BRCs. And the duties math doesn't always match what the calculations say it should be. I picked $8.50 because that's what the price here is (approximately). Who knows what their distributor is charging them? Then there's shipping on top of it.
hdryder Posted February 13, 2014 Posted February 13, 2014 Not sure if this is relevant but has anyone noticed that duty free is no bargain any more? And in some places, like my recent trip to Italy, the prices were higher than our liquor stores here? What's with that?i thought they were supposed to be, you know, ... My last trip to DR I paid more for run in Duty free than if I would have bought it at the resort. Not just a dollar or two either it was closer to $5 more.
Fosgate Posted February 13, 2014 Posted February 13, 2014 Correct me if I am wrong doesn't this just mean Rob will sell more to Canadians? 2
TiminBC Posted February 13, 2014 Posted February 13, 2014 Not sure if this is relevant but has anyone noticed that duty free is no bargain any more? And in some places, like my recent trip to Italy, the prices were higher than our liquor stores here? What's with that?i thought they were supposed to be, you know, ... Duty free is just what it says free of duty. The stores do not say they have the lowest prices. I think it even says in the customs forum you have to buy your liquor exception from a duty free shop! I have never seen this enforced but I am sure it has to do with the money the duty free store pays the gov. I was just in Cambodia and a bottle of Laphroaig scotch was $25.00 in the local store. Nothing close to that in the duty free. I also noticed hardly any cigars in any duty free I looked at and the few there were stored improperly and pricey. The Canadian government is all about ensuring stores in the US do not charge more for goods than in Canada. Would cigars fall into this :}
Fosgate Posted February 13, 2014 Posted February 13, 2014 I think your right, your govt sure does not want the U.S. to undercut how they are gouging you guys with taxes. Every year we go up there fishing we smuggle our own beer and booze up there because it is so freaking expensive. They only caught us once and they just make you leave it beside the station. Sucks leaving 40 cases of beer but for the price they charge for it up there is nuts. I used to like Labatt's and Molsen until AB Bev got a hold of them. 1
TiminBC Posted February 13, 2014 Posted February 13, 2014 I think your right, your govt sure does not want the U.S. to undercut how they are gouging you guys with taxes. Every year we go up there fishing we smuggle our own beer and booze up there because it is so freaking expensive. They only caught us once and they just make you leave it beside the station. Sucks leaving 40 cases of beer but for the price they charge for it up there is nuts. I used to like Labatt's and Molsen until AB Bev got a hold of them. 40 cases of beer are hard to hide. Were you trying to make the fish alcohol dependent so they would jump out of the water ! There is no perfect place in this world thus the need to move around during the year :}
Fosgate Posted February 13, 2014 Posted February 13, 2014 They usually don't board. Just kind of an honor system where we could cross. About a dozen of us go up with three boats, 0 women, and lots of booze for a week. 3-4 guys that come with are law enforcement and one guy forgot to leave his handgun at home.Didn't realize it until we got to the border and informed the guy and we had to go back to the nearest border town and their PD agreed to basically hold his handgun while we were in Canada. Went back and they boarded to insure we didn't stash it. We must not have been the first cause the guy just simply told us we cant bring that in and we would have to go back to the town or just leave it by the shack. (As if anyone would "hold our beer" for us. Just glad they didn't find the Black Bear skin stuffed in the boat hull the year before. That was just a big self defense "Oh hell, now what do we do!?" situation. Not funny to smear peanut butter an honey on a buddies bare feet that passed out in the bed of a pickup in bear country. Or at least the idea seemed funny at the time but man that bear wanted a piece of that honey ham! But that's why we wouldn't let him bring his pistol back up the next year. 1
johnhenry Posted February 14, 2014 Posted February 14, 2014 How do they come up with 325%? That's just crazy!
Maplepie Posted February 14, 2014 Posted February 14, 2014 . Not funny to smear peanut butter an honey on a buddies bare feet that passed out in the bed of a pickup in bear country. Or at least the idea seemed funny at the time but man that bear wanted a piece of that honey ham! But that's why we wouldn't let him bring his pistol back up the next year. Am I the only one who caught that? That detour story is hilarious! Sent from my BlackBerry Q10 using Tapatalk for Android.
Cigar Surgeon Posted February 14, 2014 Author Posted February 14, 2014 How do they come up with 325%? That's just crazy! The amount of duties and excise taxes are just stupid. When I was looking over the shoulder of the customs officer in the airport, the program had a full page, with two columns to calculate the final charge. If you were to be fined it would be in the ballpark of several thousand dollars.
Fosgate Posted February 14, 2014 Posted February 14, 2014 Am I the only one who caught that? That detour story is hilarious! Sent from my BlackBerry Q10 using Tapatalk for Android. True story. the fur was hanging on the wall in this bar in Garretson SD for awhile. Don't know if it still is. https://maps.google....=12,251.63,,0,0 Strange how there just happens to be an officer walking out of the place.
stunod Posted February 14, 2014 Posted February 14, 2014 A single, unbanded Cohiba Siglo 6 will cost about $70 here in Australia (in a B&M). It was only a few months ago the Australian $ was buying more than 1$. No ****, I don't know how you guys do it. Is there any chance they will overturn that plain packaging bullshit.
Orion21 Posted February 14, 2014 Posted February 14, 2014 "Sin" taxes are low hanging fruit for politicians. They figure there won't be push back because there are years of precedent in taking away your liberty. In the big scheme of things they already have you convinced that giving them 30% - 50% of your hard earned income is a great idea because they have shown themselves to be so responsible with it, right? So what is a few million extra dollars from a group of passives who won't fight back? Luckily tobacco taxes are run by the states in the US and my state taxes cigars differently from cigarettes. But some states till levy high taxes on cigars. And those are usually the revenue strapped blue states like California and New York who can't properly manage their books because of years of poor financial management on many levels.
Fosgate Posted February 14, 2014 Posted February 14, 2014 Some days I just wish Canada would ask to take NY,CA and MN. I'd be wiling to pay for them to go. I see just yesterday the EPA made wood burning stoves illegal to build, sell or use. Canada seems to be on board with that too. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
IcedCanuck Posted February 14, 2014 Posted February 14, 2014 This is another blow. Someone please get Harper hooked on good cigars! If successful, please share the diplomatic Cohiba Lanceros October 2015 cannot get here soon enough!!! Not sure if this is relevant but has anyone noticed that duty free is no bargain any more? And in some places, like my recent trip to Italy, the prices were higher than our liquor stores here? What's with that?i thought they were supposed to be, you know, ... I find it depends where I am. Last time I was in Mexico I noticed that Cuban cigars were just as expensive in the airport's duty free shop as there at the local B&Ms around here.
DrunkenMonkey Posted February 14, 2014 Posted February 14, 2014 I see just yesterday the EPA made wood burning stoves illegal to build, sell or use. Not true.
Fosgate Posted February 14, 2014 Posted February 14, 2014 http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2014/01/29/epas-wood-burning-stove-ban-has-chilling-consequences-for-many-rural-people/ http://www.epa.gov/burnwise/ordinances.html Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
DrunkenMonkey Posted February 14, 2014 Posted February 14, 2014 http://www.forbes.co...y-rural-people/ http://www.epa.gov/b...ordinances.html Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Point out in any of this where EPA regulations make it illegal to build, sell, or use a wood stove. These are regulations on new stoves, and they also cover the sale of old stoves. The EPA link you gave specifically excludes stoves already installed. Furthermore, these are proposed regulations, and they are in the review/comment phase. They haven't been implemented. So again, what you said is not true. The EPA has not made it illegal to build, sell, or use wood burning stoves. When and if the regulations are implemented, it will still not be illegal to build, sell, or use wood burning stoves. But new ones and ones for sale will have to meet some new standards. For what it's worth, I think these regulations are a bad idea, and I hope they aren't implemented. But what you said was an inaccurate exaggeration.
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