R.I.P. Origin

[ARRV]

First sole sin bin in my memory of origin since Harrigan sent off Gordy in the last act of megalomania by a ref. send Jennings off for running in to fight? - sure it was stupid but really.... What about the 20 other people fighting. Soft.

Then the Inglis "try". That was it. Origin is dead to me. Have it Qld, it's all yours. Knock yourself out. You'll win game 2 in Bris Vegas and then 45k may turn up to Olympic stadium to watch game 3. But it's dead.

I know it sounds like sour grapes and maybe Qld was the better team, but we will never know.

[bebster]

That was probably the worst series of decisions I've ever seen in professional sport. The commentators were speechless at the send off and actively disagreed with the try award.

[Ken Gargett]

that is priceless.

years of some of the most crap decisions imaginable and finally a couple go qld's way and origin is dead. give me a break. great effort form nsw, great game, very close. i disagree with the inglis try but technically probably correct. i still thought it should never have been given. but nsw got two tries from qld fumbles. that was it. we win even without it.

as for the jennings suspension (tallis was sent off, not given ten - for pointing out to harrigan that he felt he was a cheat. given the two utterly blatent critical knock-ons just before it, that he ignored in that game, tallis had reason to be a bit pissed), even gould said it was fair. the bloke runs 40 metres to join a brawl and starts throwing haymakers. completely against the rules. sure, a brawl but they are all over that.

to hear nsw fans ***** about refereeing decisions is priceless.

try by uate - same bloke who got cleared for a spear tackle so he could play in last year's series while dave taylor does the same and gets five weeks. forum rules prevent me from telling you what i really feel.

and game two is in sydney not brizzy. actually, even if we were two-zip down, it would sell out. one of the reasons that nsw just don't get origin. assume you guys won't be watching?

[Ken Gargett]

and actually, we do know. tonight, qld was the better side. check the score.

[bebster]

The fact that there have been bad decisions in the past doesn't mean bad decisions now are excusable. I can see why the send-off is justified (even if it is unusual) because he did run in and throw a punch but the iffy try came at a time when NSW were on the attack and had a lot of momentum their way. It also happened when there was no time for NSW to respond. That's what makes it bad.

Union is a much better game anyway

[Dimmers]

QUEENSLANDER!!!

[ARRV]

1 Qld try with 13 vs 12 men.

The teams are so close that all penalties are critical let alone sin bins.

Terrible decisions. Sure take your luck etc but really if you want to / have to win that way then it is all yours.

[Ken Gargett]

The fact that there have been bad decisions in the past doesn't mean bad decisions now are excusable. I can see why the send-off is justified (even if it is unusual) because he did run in and throw a punch but the iffy try came at a time when NSW were on the attack and had a lot of momentum their way. It also happened when there was no time for NSW to respond. That's what makes it bad.

Union is a much better game anyway

the third man in rule is well established. everyone knows it.

sydney morning herald reports call it idiotic. and dumb. and right in front of the refs. there is a limit.

and actually, the try to inglis came with qld on attack. they were on the nsw line. i can't see how that is nsw on attack???

[ARRV]

And yep won't bother with the rest of the games.

[Ken Gargett]

Terrible decisions. Sure take your luck etc but really if you want to / have to win that way then it is all yours.

yeah, because all those dodgy decisions ove the years that benefited nsw - they turned all of them down.

if i was nsw, i'd be thinking well we now have a side that can win this. if they stew about preceived injustices, they have no chance.

[ARRV]

3rd man in? He was the 12th. So he runs in and gets 10 in the bin but the other players fighting around him who just happen o be there already fighting are OK? so its ok to punch on if you're there already.

Anyway, Carney had a shocker and the decision to go for penalty goal rather than touch was rubbish so didn't help themselves but Qld won it with dodgy decisions, which is part of the game I guess so no more game for me

[Ken Gargett]

the rule is called third man in, no matter how many come in.

carney was poor but plenty of nsw players were excellent. and yes, weird decision to go for goal.

and no, qld did not win it on dodgy decisions. they won it iot on great defence in the end.

[chr0nic]

great effort form nsw, great game, very close. i disagree with the inglis try but technically probably correct. i still thought it should never have been given. but nsw got two tries from qld fumbles. that was it. we win even without it.

1 Qld try with 13 vs 12 men.

The teams are so close that all penalties are critical let alone sin bins.

I am glad to hear a Maroon agreeing with the Inglis try being incorrect- social media at the moment has 999 posts from Blues supporters who are all ropeable... then one QLD'er saying "Go Queensland!" It's clear that even most of the fans acknowledge that it was a bad call- no one is really defending it.

It's just my opinion of course, but I still think the Sin Bin was an overreaction. I know that he ran in, and I know that he was swinging, but Origin is a violent game. There are special 'allowances' for that kind of behaviour. *IF* he had hurt someone, then sure make an example, but I think putting him on report and a penalty would have sufficed.

But that being said one of the biggest factors in the loss was Carneys inability to kick tonight. 12 - 10, then a stupid and unsuccessful decision to kick for goal: that's 4 points (or rather 2 and a shot at a try instead). Put it down to nerves- that conversion attempt was a total mess.

So yeah, bad calls? I say 3, but I'm biased.

But I also say game on

See you in Sydney, Canetoads

[bebster]

carney was poor but plenty of nsw players were excellent. and yes, weird decision to go for goal.

and no, qld did not win it on dodgy decisions. they won it iot on great defence in the end.

All true. What really stood out was QLD's defence. NSW consistantly made more ground but couldn't convert their opportunities into points.

[ARRV]

My bad re next game - it is in Sydney. So if lucky blues win by 4 or 6 as refs ensure a get square and tv companies ensure a decider in brissie which will win by 10 or 12.

[ARRV]

Qld win by 10 or 12 should have been last part of my post

[Ken Gargett]

I am glad to hear a Maroon agreeing with the Inglis try being incorrect-

no, i actually think that it was, according to the rulebook, technically correct. but i think it is a bad rule. if you use your foot to deny a try in those circumstances, that is what happens. as i said, i think it a bad rule. but what the hell is the ref supposed to do? change the laws mid-game?

ref sent it upstairs, as he should, and the upstairs ref made the call. tecnically, probably correct, but unfortunate. and took some of the gloss of a great qld win.

and no there are not special allowances for origin. nowhere does it claim that or state that in the rulebook. sure, they get away with heaps more but a bloke ran 40 metres to throw a wild haymaker into the head of a bloke who was being held at the time and had no way of defending himself? a bloke in a neck brace. what a hero! and he should only be punished if he injures an opposition player. seriously? it was beyond stupid. two blokes having a brawl is one thing. what he did is completely different. and if he did it in the nrl he'd cop a serious suspension. as would bird's tackle. i actually thought it a terrific tackle but it breached the laws of the game. any money on either of those nsw players being suspended? fat chance.

as for refs getting square, our friend seems to think some qld-inspired copnspiracy. given the endless poor decisions qld has worn for years, god help nsw if the refs decide to get square. if you think logically, who do the powers that be want to win this? nsw, of course. not good for the game for such dominance. so this conspiracy theory is absolute crap.

ricky stuart is a very good coach. he has to get them to forget any perceived bad calls and concentrate on the next one. at home, they'll be extremely hard to beat.

[Ken Gargett]

one last point for tonight. i thought that was just about the best game i have ever seen greg bird play. and prrbably pearce's best origin effort. not sure how myles got man of the match. boyd and tate exceptional for qld. as was thurston.

[Dimmers]

Really interesting reading the NSW media reports this morning screaming outrage. Cmon guys, Jennings ran in, at what 30 odd meters and at pace, jumped over the back of a guy, and while still in the air, threw a wild haymaker which connected on a guy who was crouched over and pinned by another guy or two. That's pretty bad and worth a sin bin at any lvl of the game.... Vastly different from guys squaring up. Jennings was stupid as hell to do this.

Re the Inglis try, I wouldnt have given it, but then I don't know my league rules back to front. From what I have read and heard, that's a textbook rules decision, so to everyone complaining, your beef is with the rulebook. I appreciate the angst in the NSW camp on this though and appears a dud rule ( or dud application of the rule).

In all in was a great game, very entertaining to watch, and both teams were very luck at times. Don't forget that 2 NSW tries came from Qld fumbles. I'm looking forward to the next 2 games if the standards from this game are on display again. Good also to see NSW passion and competitiveness... Everyone wants to see a great series, irrespective of who you support.

[asmith]

Jennings would have stayed on the field had he run in grabbed a Queenslander making it look like he was trying to stop the brawl then started throwing punches, he would have been fine and just blended in like the rest of the guys. School boy error that, he'll learn.

[El Presidente]

NSW need to find a way to threaten/score tries through the hands. Outside of 2 breaks from memory last night there was not much attack on offer from the blues and Todd Carney had a shocker. I thought your forwards were excellent.

Like I tell my sides. Look at the critical decisions you can control: the knock ons, the defensive misreads, the idiotic penalties. Qld backs still make too many metres on the outside channels. If you can stop that then it is even stevens.

[Ken Gargett]

Really interesting reading the NSW media reports this morning screaming outrage. Cmon guys, Jennings ran in, at what 30 odd meters and at pace, jumped over the back of a guy, and while still in the air, threw a wild haymaker which connected on a guy who was crouched over and pinned by another guy or two. That's pretty bad and worth a sin bin at any lvl of the game.... Vastly different from guys squaring up. Jennings was stupid as hell to do this.

Re the Inglis try, I wouldnt have given it, but then I don't know my league rules back to front. From what I have read and heard, that's a textbook rules decision, so to everyone complaining, your beef is with the rulebook. I appreciate the angst in the NSW camp on this though and appears a dud rule ( or dud application of the rule).

In all in was a great game, very entertaining to watch, and both teams were very luck at times. Don't forget that 2 NSW tries came from Qld fumbles. I'm looking forward to the next 2 games if the standards from this game are on display again. Good also to see NSW passion and competitiveness... Everyone wants to see a great series, irrespective of who you support.

absolutely spot on.

but if i must say just a small thing, if there is one thing better than beating nsw, it is doing it with dodgy decisions that piss them off. the cherry on top.

[Fuzz]

Who cares any more? NRL is not what it used to be. The players are just in it for the money, not for the love of the game.

I say we get rid of the NRL and start playing a true sport.... Full Contact Tiddlywinks!

[El Presidente]

Who cares any more? NRL is not what it used to be. The players are just in it for the money, not for the love of the game.

SOO works for us Queenslanders because it is still based on hate

In Paul Gallen you have someone who thinks the same way. He is changing the mindset of NSW along with Stuart, Bird etal. You are not that far off the pace. Stick with Carney, blood a mongrel centre, bring back Watmough who I believe would have been the game changer last night. Your selectors have been your worst enemy.

[chr0nic]

Who cares any more? NRL is not what it used to be. The players are just in it for the money, not for the love of the game.

I say we get rid of the NRL and start playing a true sport.... Full Contact Tiddlywinks!

I'd watch it