Ken Gargett Posted January 15, 2009 Posted January 15, 2009 A CHILD named Adolf Hitler Campbell and his siblings have been taken from their family by child welfare workers. The New Jersey Division of Youth and Family Services removed three-year-old Adolf and his younger sisters, JoyceLynn Aryan Nation Campbell and Honszlynn Hinler Jeannie Campbell from their home on Tuesday, The Associated Press reports. Agency spokeswoman Kate Bernyk said it would not provide any details on why the children were removed. The kids' parents, Heath and Deborah Campbell, received worldwide attention last month when they complained that a shop had refused to make Adolf a birthday cake. Mr Campbell, 35, has decorated his home with swastikas and says he is related to a member of the SS. But he said it is the store that wouldn't write "Happy Birthday Adolf Hitler" on a cake that should have shown more consideration for other people's feelings. "They need to accept a name. A name's a name. The kid isn't going to grow up and do what (Hitler) did," he told the Associated Press at the time of the cake incident. But the ShopRite store that refused the cake request says it did the right thing. "We believe the request ... to inscribe a birthday wish to Adolf Hitler is inappropriate," spokeswoman Karen Meleta told the Express-Times newspaper. The store has also refused to make a cake bearing the name of JoyceLynn Aryan Nation, who turns two next month. Honszlynn Hinler Jeannie Campbell, named for SS head Heinrich Himmler, turns one in April. He said he named his son after Adolf Hitler because he liked the name and because "no one else in the world would have that name". "They're just names, you know," he told the Express-Times newspaper. "Yeah, they (Nazis) were bad people back then. But my kids are little. They're not going to grow up like that." "Other kids get their cake. I get a hard time," he said. "It's not fair to my children.' Mr Campbell said he didn't expect the names to cause problems when the children start school.
mkz Posted January 15, 2009 Posted January 15, 2009 Lucky children to have such dill-weeds as parents...
Warren Posted January 15, 2009 Posted January 15, 2009 It reminds me of a nice couple named Fred and Thelma Tickle. They had a baby girl and named her Tess.
Ken Gargett Posted January 15, 2009 Author Posted January 15, 2009 hey, a couple in sydney had twins and named them arma and geddon. gotta love that.
sounddust Posted January 15, 2009 Posted January 15, 2009 These guys should watch the episode of Fawlty Towers about the German guests. And get themselves a Goering sandwich while there're at it.
gostgost Posted January 15, 2009 Posted January 15, 2009 This is the crap that kills me. They take the kids out of the house for his name and the crap in it but lets leave the kids the in the house that aren't being feed or the one that are being beaten to death. This make so much sense it kills me.
Miami101 Posted January 15, 2009 Posted January 15, 2009 What to say! It a free country free do to do what you want, and to impose your ideas on your chirldren. (not that I agree, but each his own) I kind of feel the state is not correct by doing this. The partent are in the kid's life, and who are we to judge. Remember victor writes histroy, and if things where different we might be all speaking German, and I might be your do boy! Once again I don't agree with the views of these people.
Colt45 Posted January 15, 2009 Posted January 15, 2009 What to say!It a free country free do to do what you want, and to impose your ideas on your chirldren. (not that I agree, but each his own) True. But in my opinion, the store had equal right to tell them to get lost.
gwags Posted January 15, 2009 Posted January 15, 2009 "Agency spokeswoman Kate Bernyk said it would not provide any details on why the children were removed." I doubt they were removed because of the name(s). Hopefully we find out exactly why they were removed. I'm thinking the parents raising hell because of the cake incident brought some unwanted attention to the household. They were interviewed by mulitple news agencies as I remember seeing a blurb on the TV with them about the cake incident. There's more to this story then they're telling us. Are they idiots ? In my mind - YES! They're setting that kid up for a rough ride.
NullSmurf Posted January 15, 2009 Posted January 15, 2009 What to say!It a free country free do to do what you want, and to impose your ideas on your chirldren. (not that I agree, but each his own) I kind of feel the state is not correct by doing this. The partent are in the kid's life, and who are we to judge. Remember victor writes histroy, and if things where different we might be all speaking German, and I might be your do boy! Once again I don't agree with the views of these people. Yup, ACLU should be all over this. Demented, yes, but our Constitution guarantees him the right to his opinions. The store also had the right to tell him to pack sand around his cake, though. If you look, you should find the "we reserve the right to refuse service" sign somewhere.
Guest robustog Posted January 15, 2009 Posted January 15, 2009 The store also had the right to tell him to pack sand around his cake, though. If you look, you should find the "we reserve the right to refuse service" sign somewhere. This is called discrimination: I don't like your name, I don't like your looks, I don't like our hair color, I don't like your skin color, I don't like your religion, I don't like your nationality..... All the same.
Ken Gargett Posted January 15, 2009 Author Posted January 15, 2009 What to say!It a free country free do to do what you want, and to impose your ideas on your chirldren. (not that I agree, but each his own) I kind of feel the state is not correct by doing this. The partent are in the kid's life, and who are we to judge. Remember victor writes histroy, and if things where different we might be all speaking German, and I might be your do boy! Once again I don't agree with the views of these people. understand that and have no problem with anyone going off and doing whatever they want, no matter how idiotic. until it affects others. then there needs to be a balance. even more important where kids are involved and cannot protect themselves. and these morons are going to deeply affect their kids. open them to ridicule. you going to employ someone called adolf hitler? these kids are a shrinks' conference waiting to happen (no offence, shrink).
android Posted January 15, 2009 Posted January 15, 2009 "Agency spokeswoman Kate Bernyk said it would not provide any details on why the children were removed."I doubt they were removed because of the name(s). Hopefully we find out exactly why they were removed. I'm thinking the parents raising hell because of the cake incident brought some unwanted attention to the household. They were interviewed by mulitple news agencies as I remember seeing a blurb on the TV with them about the cake incident. There's more to this story then they're telling us. Are they idiots ? In my mind - YES! They're setting that kid up for a rough ride. I agree, they are idiots and your completely right about there being allot more to this than we know about.
Jay Hemingway Posted January 16, 2009 Posted January 16, 2009 if i was the manager of the shoprite in question, i would have reprimanded the person who refused to make the cake. that was a paying customer. what his childrens names are and what he wants on his cake are his business. your job is to make them a cake to create profits. you lost a sale over personal belief. i personaly think that obese people are gross but i wouldn't refuse service of a handburger if i worked at mcdonalds. if i did, i could expect to lose my job. (it is true that the store has the right to refuse service, it was done discriminatory though, which is not right)
Ken Gargett Posted January 16, 2009 Author Posted January 16, 2009 if i was the manager of the shoprite in question, i would have reprimanded the person who refused to make the cake.that was a paying customer. what his childrens names are and what he wants on his cake are his business. your job is to make them a cake to create profits. you lost a sale over personal belief. i personaly think that obese people are gross but i wouldn't refuse service of a handburger if i worked at mcdonalds. if i did, i could expect to lose my job. (it is true that the store has the right to refuse service, it was done discriminatory though, which is not right) could not disagree more. the bloke is an imbecile, he is stuffing up his kids lives, and in reviving and perpetrating memories of the nazis, he is inciting the same vile beliefs they held. 'its just a cake'. what a load of crap. it is deliberate provocation. i would also assume that the manager of the shop was involved in the decision not to serve this bloke. more power to him. using those names revives the horror that was the nazi tyranny, let alone scars his children for life. that is deeply, deeply offensive to millions of people around the world. i know my family lost several members in the war to stop hitler and we have this tosser glorifying them. there are enough guns littered across america. instead of shooting innocent animals, perhaps someone could put one to good use and put a bullet in this idiot. it would do everyone a big favour. and as we are not supposed to go political on the forum, i'll hold back from telling you what i really think.
harryleech Posted January 16, 2009 Posted January 16, 2009 if i was the manager of the shoprite in question, i would have reprimanded the person who refused to make the cake.that was a paying customer. what his childrens names are and what he wants on his cake are his business. your job is to make them a cake to create profits. you lost a sale over personal belief. i personaly think that obese people are gross but i wouldn't refuse service of a handburger if i worked at mcdonalds. if i did, i could expect to lose my job. (it is true that the store has the right to refuse service, it was done discriminatory though, which is not right) I can't disagree with you more on this: Free speech is a worthy ideal, but it also has to be balanced against incitement to hatred and f*$%ing up innocnet kids who don't know any better and deserve more from their parents. Where do personal freedoms end and personal responsibilities begin? The society that gives away rights without requiring responsibilities is doomed to implode under an avalanche of selfishness. Teaching children to hate others for no reason other than religion or ethnicity is child abuse, and endorsing that reflects poorly on a societey. Thankfully, in this case someone told them to get the hell out of their store and get a life. The idea that they can do what they want with their own kids is taking personal liberites too far. And when minding your own business end and refusing to stand idily by start? Should a printer refuse to print 'Mein Kampf' because he disagrees with it's values or should he just print it and take the dollars? Should Osama Bin Laden's point of view be tolerated if you can make a few bucks from it? I don't for a second believe that you would agree to either of these scenarios, but once we start down the line of 'anything goes as long as we make a profit' then the line between right and responsibility becomes blurred very quickly.
smokem Posted January 16, 2009 Posted January 16, 2009 I struggle with this. Although I think the parents are idiots, I don't know if you have a right to take the children away IF this was the only reason. I think most would agree naming your son A. Hitler is insane, but if we respond in some way to AH, then what other names can we respond to? Where does it end? There are many parents raising their children in ways that I would not, but is it child abuse if the act is NOT illegal? Many legal things are “abusive” to children, but can we take them away? Once again, where does it stop?
Habanos2000 Posted January 16, 2009 Posted January 16, 2009 Naming their children this way proves to me they're unfit parents and I agree with the other post that said there is more to it than just the naming. No way in hell are these loving, nuturing parents in any regard. My heart goes out to those poor undeserving kids.
Fuzz AI Posted January 16, 2009 Posted January 16, 2009 Just out of curiosity, but would there have been any uproar if the child was just named Adolf Campbell and leaving the Hitler out? I mean, there have been other Adolfs of notable worth in history besides the 2 nutjobs in the 1930's-40's. Would there be the same amount of outrage if you named a child Benito?
Habanos2000 Posted January 16, 2009 Posted January 16, 2009 Just out of curiosity, but would there have been any uproar if the child was just named Adolf Campbell and leaving the Hitler out?I mean, there have been other Adolfs of notable worth in history besides the 2 nutjobs in the 1930's-40's. Would there be the same amount of outrage if you named a child Benito? I have a feeling the first AND last names together probably did it.
Fuzz AI Posted January 16, 2009 Posted January 16, 2009 Just to stir up the pot, could the same be said for naming your child Charles Taylor, Alexander Lukashenko, or even G.W. Bush?
Ken Gargett Posted January 16, 2009 Author Posted January 16, 2009 Just out of curiosity, but would there have been any uproar if the child was just named Adolf Campbell and leaving the Hitler out?I mean, there have been other Adolfs of notable worth in history besides the 2 nutjobs in the 1930's-40's. Would there be the same amount of outrage if you named a child Benito? absolutely not. i've encountered adolf's from south africa - i like to think an innocent error. it is the 'ayrian nation' and 'adolf hitler' that makes it so deeply offensively stupid.
Freefallguy Posted January 16, 2009 Posted January 16, 2009 Should a printer refuse to print 'Mein Kampf' because he disagrees with it's values or should he just print it and take the dollars? Amazon.com Mein Kampf (Paperback) by Adolf Hitler (Author) List Price: $22.00 Paperback: 720 pages Publisher: Mariner Books*(September 15, 1998) Language: English *Mariner Books, a division of Houghton Mifflin
Ken Gargett Posted January 16, 2009 Author Posted January 16, 2009 Amazon.comMein Kampf (Paperback) by Adolf Hitler (Author) List Price: $22.00 Paperback: 720 pages Publisher: Mariner Books*(September 15, 1998) Language: English *Mariner Books, a division of Houghton Mifflin i find the mein kampf issue quite different. it is now part of history (not that i have read it or intend to, at 720 pages) and must presumably help historians and students understand what went on and hopefully why. if someone came out now with some idiotic rant enticing others to follow the extremes of nazi-ism, i would take that more seriously but still not consider it as bad as what this moron has done to his children.
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