Spartan Posted January 8, 2009 Posted January 8, 2009 Greetings all- I'm seeking recomendations for a bottle of red that would be brilliant in say 10 to 15 years? Thoughts?
Colt45 Posted January 8, 2009 Posted January 8, 2009 It might be tough to pinpoint a specific bottle without knowing your tastes and budget. Even if I were looking for myself, I'm not sure I could decide specifically before going out and having a look around. So generally speaking, I'd be looking looking to producers who do well with whatever hand nature deals them, whose style lends itself to longevity, and then good / great vintages. France - top Bordeaux - Paulliac, St. Julien for me. Grand or Premier Cru Burgundy. Italy - Brunello di Montalcino. Barolo. Spain - Reserve tempranillo Portugal - don't overlook Douro reds - they can be quite age worthy. I know this is very general, but it's where I'd start for myself. I'm sure other members will chime in with specific faves.
DocRKS Posted January 10, 2009 Posted January 10, 2009 2005 French Clarets - outstanding year! The Ch. Margaux is rumoured to be cosmic!! Although in 15 years - it may still not be opened all the way. Italy - GAJA Barolo - will stand up to your 15 year cellaring quest and reward you big time. A LOT of the big California Cabs will give you what you want. I'm sure you will also get some suggestions here on some of the outstanding Australian wines that merit being included in your list.
Spartan Posted January 10, 2009 Author Posted January 10, 2009 Thank you fellas- I am open to just about any red that would do well over time the more varitey the better. the only parameter id like to keeep within is price point ($50-$100max)
Colt45 Posted January 10, 2009 Posted January 10, 2009 Thank you fellas-I am open to just about any red that would do well over time the more varitey the better. the only parameter id like to keeep within is price point ($50-$100max) Spartan, one thing I'd like to add - you shouldn't hesitate to talk to the wine person(s) at your local shop(s). Even bigger liquor stores with a good selection will usually have a fairly knowledgable wine person.
Ken Gargett Posted January 11, 2009 Posted January 11, 2009 Thank you fellas-I am open to just about any red that would do well over time the more varitey the better. the only parameter id like to keeep within is price point ($50-$100max) unless you are in a fortunate location, is suspect most of the good 2005 bordeaux is gone and the under $100 may not be quite as agworthy but otherwise, agree with the suggestions. especially colt's suggestion re your local wine store but i would add, find out which is the best store in your city/area and try them - a local bottleshop will often have people who really don't know a lot. a good one will steer you right and be keen to help as it helps cement a long term relationship.
DocRKS Posted January 12, 2009 Posted January 12, 2009 Ken, I grant the comment regarding being in a fortunate location in picking up wine. Having said that, your comment on the wines available today from the 2005 Bordeaux not being as ageworthy - I offer thr following. This weekend I picked up 2 cases of lovely 2nd Growths from '05 - 2005 Chateau Montrose and 2005 Chateau Pichon Baron (which both Robt. Parker and Spectator rated as 94/95s and estimate as not being ready for consumption prior to the year 2020+++. With the case price, the Montrose was under $100 and the Pichon Baron was $108 - I thought they were priced very fairly. As a matter of fact - both offerings were within a few dollars of what they were initially offered at as a FUTURES delivery !
Ken Gargett Posted January 12, 2009 Posted January 12, 2009 Ken,I grant the comment regarding being in a fortunate location in picking up wine. Having said that, your comment on the wines available today from the 2005 Bordeaux not being as ageworthy - I offer thr following. This weekend I picked up 2 cases of lovely 2nd Growths from '05 - 2005 Chateau Montrose and 2005 Chateau Pichon Baron (which both Robt. Parker and Spectator rated as 94/95s and estimate as not being ready for consumption prior to the year 2020+++. With the case price, the Montrose was under $100 and the Pichon Baron was $108 - I thought they were priced very fairly. As a matter of fact - both offerings were within a few dollars of what they were initially offered at as a FUTURES delivery ! understand what you are saying but i am talking aussie dollars. absolutely no doubt from what i have seen that 2005 is one of the greatest bordeaux vintages of all time and that many of the wines will age for decades. pichon baron is fabulous, yet to try montrose but its track record would suggest that a montrose from 05 will outlive us all. tose wines here are way over $200 pushing $300 (suspect any montrose left will be higher than that). and there is simply very little of wines of that quality from 05 around here. most went as futures and the retailers with some left are charging accordingly. what we see for under $100 here are very much the lesser growths and they, or at least many of them, will drink beautifully now. no doubt some will age but i'm not sure i would have them in the category that was the point of the thread.
Ken Gargett Posted January 13, 2009 Posted January 13, 2009 checked on the montrose here in aust. the cheapest i can find is $300 a bottle by the case. i suspect that some merchants are charging closer to $500 for it. our markups, stocks, taxes etc all play a role in this.
Wiley Posted January 14, 2009 Posted January 14, 2009 Oregon makes many beautiful wines that age very well (at least for the time period you're talking about.)
Don Candido Posted January 19, 2009 Posted January 19, 2009 2003 Domain de la Romanee Conti. Any vineyard. DRC generally produces, in lower to higher importance and price: Echezeaux Grands Echezeaux Romanee St. Vivant Richebourg La Tache Romanee Conti These are all Grand Cru burgundies from one of the pre-emanate producers. They will not be cheap. They will be great to open for special occasions (in small groups.) Further due to the current economic conditions there may be deals to be had. These are some of the truly most collectable wines of the vintage, worldwide. I also can provide retail connections at reasonable prices for those who are interested.... I am not a wine salesperson. CHEERS
Ken Gargett Posted January 20, 2009 Posted January 20, 2009 2003 Domain de la Romanee Conti. Any vineyard. DRC generally produces, in lower to higher importance and price: Echezeaux Grands Echezeaux Romanee St. Vivant Richebourg La Tache Romanee Conti These are all Grand Cru burgundies from one of the pre-emanate producers. They will not be cheap. They will be great to open for special occasions (in small groups.) Further due to the current economic conditions there may be deals to be had. These are some of the truly most collectable wines of the vintage, worldwide. I also can provide retail connections at reasonable prices for those who are interested.... I am not a wine salesperson. CHEERS DC, DRC is my absolute fave producer on the planet. but not certain anything there will sneak under $100. some won't sneak under $1,000. i'd love to know what you think are 'reasonable prices' but that said, how do you value the greatest wines on earth. what i have seen of the 03s suggest that they are terrific. the 04s underrated. they are by far th best burgs from 04, at least from what i have seen. 05's are the hardest wines of all to get. the chances of getting a romanee conti here was remote. the others have almost tripled in price in the months since release.
bassman Posted January 22, 2009 Posted January 22, 2009 Chateau Clos Les Lunnelles Bordeaux is a huge winw & relatively inexpensive. If you can't find 2005, the 2006 should also be brilliant.
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