Cost effective on non-cuban cigars?

[yossie]

I found some of cigars which are delicious in NCs like Ashton VSG , Padron anniversary , Davidoff though, Some of them are what I don't think inexpensive.

So, I wanna ask you guys that Do you think NCs are cost effective or not?

and If you know cost effective NCs , Can you tell me the vitolas?

[jwm8592]

Hey Yossie, personally I think alot of the NC's are over priced and you can find the CC's that are priced similarly but are much better. As far as cost effective NC's I woulf go with Oliva Serie "G", very good cigar and in expensive, also Carlos Torano 1959. I also like Perdomo's most of their lines are very good, their Lot 23 line is very enjoyable IMHO and priced reasonable.

[yossie]

» Hey Yossie, personally I think alot of the NC's are over priced and you can

» find the CC's that are priced similarly but are much better. As far as cost

» effective NC's I woulf go with Oliva Serie "G", very good cigar and in

» expensive, also Carlos Torano 1959. I also like Perdomo's most of their

» lines are very good, their Lot 23 line is very enjoyable IMHO and priced

» reasonable.

Yes I agree with you. Most of good NCs are over-priced.

But I wanna taste many cigars.

As You know Even if Cohiba is an excellent cigar, Most of people don't think to smoke it everyday.

I've tried them you told me and been thinking they're cost-effective.

But As you know, I live in Japan and then must pay expensive shipping fee and taxes.

So, If I don't live in US, Unfortunately They're also not inexpensive.

It means I need very good cigars at very reasonable price.

I don't think there're such cigars..

Because of the above reasons, I mainly buy cigars from the Czar on sales.

Thanks

[Stalebread]

»

» and If you know cost effective NCs , Can you tell me the vitolas?

The Oliva Serie V is an excellent Nicaraguan puro that is very reasonably priced, if that is what you mean by "cost effective." Both the torpedo and the double robusto are outstanding. I have heard that the lancero is also good but have not smoked one.

[yossie]

» »

» » and If you know cost effective NCs , Can you tell me the vitolas?

»

»

» The Oliva Serie V is an excellent Nicaraguan puro that is very reasonably

» priced, if that is what you mean by "cost effective." Both the torpedo

» and the double robusto are outstanding. I have heard that the lancero is

» also good but have not smoked one.

Nicaragua makes good cigars.

I've not tried the cigars but Well... If I purchased it from US , I must pay about 230USD with shipping and taxes..

If I am in US, It maybe reasonable..

[anacostiakat]

» I found some of cigars which are delicious without NCs like Ashton VSG ,

» Padron anniversary , Davidoff though, Some of them are what I don't think

» inexpensive.

»

» So, I wanna ask you guys that Do you think NCs are cost effective or not?

»

» and If you know cost effective NCs , Can you tell me the vitolas?

Try Fuente, Tatuaje, Cabaiguan and see what you like.

[tandblov]

Padron 1926, Tatuaje cabinet and Havana VI, some Cabaiguans, Don Pepin Series JJ, VSG's are among the better NC, IMNSHO. Price wise, they tend to be pricey (more than many cubans), most (excluding the JJ and Havana VI) are more difficult to find.

However, they are excellent cigars. For example, I have never experienced a badly constructed 1926, whereas I have had plenty of habanos that burned terrible.

[smokum]

I always thought The Edge Missiles were a good NC...

[Tampa1257]

» I always thought The Edge Missiles were a good NC...

WOW, The absolute worst cigar I have ever smoked in my entire life was a RP Edge, I swore to never ever smoke another of his cigars in my life and take on as a personal mission to warn people that RP would put such Crap on the Market. No telling for personal taste.

Rob runs some Outstanding Specials for all of us here on FOH. It just is a matter of supply and demand of NC outside of the US Market, they are extremely overpriced here and we have to deal with the Tobacco Taxes, then you have to deal with the over pricing and then shipping and duty where you are. Maybe if you found a on line shop that would ship you NCs without the tax. Nice idea huh?

[aavkk]

» Padron 1926, Tatuaje cabinet and Havana VI, some Cabaiguans, Don Pepin

» Series JJ, VSG's are among the better NC, IMNSHO. Price wise, they tend to

» be pricey (more than many cubans), most (excluding the JJ and Havana VI)

» are more difficult to find.

»

» However, they are excellent cigars. For example, I have never experienced

» a badly constructed 1926, whereas I have had plenty of habanos that burned

» terrible.

I couldnt agree with you more on the Padron consistency. I feel they really set the standard on that factor. I am in fact a friend of the family and have had the opportunity to smoke the whole line over the last 10 years or so. With that said, I just dont get the 2 or 3 dimensional flavors that you often get with the best cubans. I feel that even with the best NC's they dont take you on a journey that evolves from start to finish like a great CC. Just my opinion.

[yossie]

» are. Maybe if you found a on line shop that would ship you NCs without the

» tax. Nice idea huh?

I've already found such a vendor in US. But in the view of cost-effective , Buying NCs is somewhat awesome.

Today, I smoked Tatuaje robusto. It is very good one.

But after I saw the price on some shops, I changed my mind.

As you know, There're shipping fee about 30 USD from there to here and expensive taxes too.

Thank you guys. I'm not sure that whether I purchase the cigars you told me or not though, I added them to my wishlist.

[Stalebread]

» Today, I smoked Tatuaje robusto. It is very good one.

» But after I saw the price on some shops, I changed my mind.

» As you know, There're shipping fee about 30 USD from there to here and

» expensive taxes too.

»

» Thank you guys. I'm not sure that whether I purchase the cigars you told

» me or not though, I added them to my wishlist.

As good as the Tatuaje are, they can hardly be considered "cost effective" (I am still puzzled by that term, however. Are you looking for a good cigar at a low price or a cigar that is so good that the price is acceptable no matter what it is?)

Anyway, I still hold out for the Oliva V series. They appear to be about half the price of comparable sizes of Tatuaje. By the box, the V double robusto turn out to be under $5.00 per stick. And, in my inexperienced opinion, one of the better cigars to hit the market recently.

[yossie]

» As good as the Tatuaje are, they can hardly be considered "cost effective"

» (I am still puzzled by that term, however. Are you looking for a good cigar

» at a low price or a cigar that is so good that the price is acceptable no

» matter what it is?)

»

Havana quality at acceptable price and I can purchase.

(It means Even If I want an Opus X, It's hard to get. So It's not my wish )

[GoSteelers]

Are NC's not available in Japan at all?

I would ship you a little something but was shocked that a 1 lb package cheapest shipping was $20 and that was on 6-10 days.

About $50 for 3 day!!! (USPS)

[GoSteelers]

Oh yeah forgot to ad

If you can find them Tatuaje Cabiguan

I am hooked, one of the best NC I'ved smoked in a long time that isn't named Perdomo!

[Stalebread]

» » As good as the Tatuaje are, they can hardly be considered "cost

» effective" (I am still puzzled by that term, however. Are you looking for a good cigar at a low price or a cigar that is so good that the price is acceptable no matter what it is?)

» Havana quality at acceptable price and I can purchase.

» (It means Even If I want an Opus X, It's hard to get. So It's not my wish )

"Havana quality at acceptable price . . ."

This is still vague to me (sorry to be so dense). Could you say more?

I'll go along with the Cabaiguan from Tatuaje but then you are going up in price. High quality, yes, but higher price, too -- roughly twice as much as the Oliva V but half as much as a comparable Padron Anni. 64.

It seems to me that if you want to try a broad range of cigars, both Habanos as well as those from other growing regions, then you're going to have to ante up. Or adjust your parameters. Or something.

[yossie]

» Are NC's not available in Japan at all?

»

» I would ship you a little something but was shocked that a 1 lb package

» cheapest shipping was $20 and that was on 6-10 days.

» About $50 for 3 day!!! (USPS)

No, Most of cigars are not available too.

And (Even if I can get some of cigars here)the price is much more expensive than US. So, I mainly smoke cuban cigars from Czar.

Yeah, Shipping fee is expensive. Even if the price of cigars is not so expensive (for example about 200 USD per a box), I have to pay expensive amount..

[yossie]

» "Havana quality at acceptable price . . ."

» This is still vague to me (sorry to be so dense). Could you say more?

»

» I'll go along with the Cabaiguan from Tatuaje but then you are going up in

» price. High quality, yes, but higher price, too -- roughly twice as much

» as the Oliva V but half as much as a comparable Padron Anni. 64.

»

» It seems to me that if you want to try a broad range of cigars, both

» Habanos as well as those from other growing regions, then you're going to

» have to ante up. Or adjust your parameters. Or something.

I want to purchase cigars at about 200 USD including shipping and tax though,(If possible I want to do samplers) As far as I checked US vendors , It's impossible.

So, I become a strict cuban cigars smoker.

Thanks mate

[smokum]

» » I always thought The Edge Missiles were a good NC...

»

» WOW, The absolute worst cigar I have ever smoked in my entire life was a

» RP Edge, I swore to never ever smoke another of his cigars in my life and

» take on as a personal mission to warn people that RP would put such Crap

» on the Market. No telling for personal taste.

»

The maduro is not so bad. Maybe you were having a bad tastebud day !

[Cam]

I don't know really.. Just a perspective on things.. but if you look at it from a "lovers/purists" point of view instead of a consumer, most "expensive" Non cubans are extremely good smokes, Davidoff are amoung my favourite cigars and I've never ever been let down..

Cam -

[mr.harten]

IMHO there are a number of NCs worth smoking out there. The ones I still go for have a unique flavor profile that cannot be duplicated by a similarly priced Habano. It is the usual suspects: Ashton VSG, Fuente Sungrown, Hemingway, and Anejo, Padron 1964 maduro, etc.

» The Oliva Serie V is an excellent Nicaraguan puro that is very reasonably

» priced, if that is what you mean by "cost effective." Both the torpedo

» and the double robusto are outstanding. I have heard that the lancero is

» also good but have not smoked one.

I cannot agree more with this recommendation.

I was cruising the local shops yesterday trolling for Anejos and asked one of the owners if there was anything new worth giving a shot. He pointed me to the Olivia Serie V. First off they looked gorgeous. So much so I was immediately suspect as it has been my experience that a $5 cigar that looks like a $20 cigar RARELY smokes or tastes like one. I was smoking an 06 RASCC at the time so I had a hard time detecting the subtleties of the unlit aroma but figured for $5 what the hell and bought a couple of the torpedos.

I hit a few other shops and finished the excellent RASCC. What happened next I can only describe as fate... I lit up the Olivia. I still don't know why I did this because (A) it has been years since I bought a cigar and smoked it right away. EVERYTHING comes home for a minimum 3 months rest. On top of that ( I was 110% convinced that smoking anything NC after that fine RASCC would be an utter disappointment and simply reinforce my growing belief that NCs just can't measure up.

Well I was immediately surprised. The first few pulls while not doing anything particularly impressive were rich in both body and flavor without and of the "hollow" metallic flavors I have come to expect from NCs. Within the first 5 minutes I started to detect hints of a flavor I have only experinced once before on a limited edition Padilla. English Breakfast Tea with cream and sugar. It was nothing short of amazing. I cannot remember a cigar so tasty. I wanted to eat the damn thing. The tea flavors remained dominant throughout with waves of spice and cedar coming and going. I would give it a 92-93 out of 100. The tea flavors lingered in my mouth for hours making it water. I plan to smoke another this AM to make sure I didn't just get a fluke. God I hope not.

BTW - Yossie, if you ever have a group of NCs you'd like to try shoot me a list. I have access to virtually every available NC at or below MSRP and would gladly drive around and pick up a sampler and ship it to you. You can PM me or email me at (clark AT cadaocao DOT com)

[yossie]

» BTW - Yossie, if you ever have a group of NCs you'd like to try shoot me a

» list. I have access to virtually every available NC at or below MSRP and

» would gladly drive around and pick up a sampler and ship it to you. You

» can PM me or email me at (clark AT cadaocao DOT com)

Thank you but I decided not to buy non-cubans.

Even If I purchase them, I may choose Ashton or Davidoff from Japan Since These prices are common in the world.