naim_yazbeck Posted January 29 Posted January 29 I felt supply in January 2025, in places like Switzerland improved, but the prices are increasing on monthly basis now. Hoyo de Monterrey Le Hoyo de San Juan box of 25 at $1000+, same for HdM Le Hoyo de Rio Seco. Not sure about other places, but if prices continue like this for the rest of the year, a HdM Epi 2 will be $60-$70 by December! Honestly, I don't know when this will stop, but it is very unfortunate for now! What are you seeing in your locations?
Popular Post SCgarman Posted January 29 Popular Post Posted January 29 Bottom line; Many of us are priced out of/refuse to pay the current pricing of Cuban cigars. So back to NC's it is. I started with NC's, went to CC's and have gone full circle back to NC's. I buy cigars that provide the appropriate value for the money paid. For those with unlimited disposable income, they will continue to pay whatever Habanos wishes to charge. ☺️ 11
unaslob Posted January 30 Posted January 30 Certainly prices have been going up for the past couple of years. When they first started going demand got hotter, fuelling even crazier pricing. Demand kept up - for awhile. I would argue that demand has cooled. A lot of the grey market vendors seem to have more stock and rarer boxes seem to be more available then a year ago. I would be curious what the actual data shows but it seems that even the auction sites are selling for a bit less. 2
Popular Post El Presidente Posted January 30 Popular Post Posted January 30 13 hours ago, naim_yazbeck said: I felt supply in January 2025, in places like Switzerland improved, but the prices are increasing on monthly basis now. Hoyo de Monterrey Le Hoyo de San Juan box of 25 at $1000+, same for HdM Le Hoyo de Rio Seco. Not sure about other places, but if prices continue like this for the rest of the year, a HdM Epi 2 will be $60-$70 by December! Honestly, I don't know when this will stop, but it is very unfortunate for now! What are you seeing in your locations? 5% increase by HSA on most CC cigars in January 2025. Behike/Dip 2 mucho mas. More stock around. Still about 20-30% of 2019 levels. 3 2
Blazer Posted January 30 Posted January 30 18 hours ago, SCgarman said: Bottom line; Many of us are priced out of/refuse to pay the current pricing of Cuban cigars. So back to NC's it is. I started with NC's, went to CC's and have gone full circle back to NC's. I buy cigars that provide the appropriate value for the money paid. For those with unlimited disposable income, they will continue to pay whatever Habanos wishes to charge. ☺️ This ^^^^^^^^^ 1
TobaccoRoad Posted January 31 Posted January 31 On 1/30/2025 at 6:56 AM, SCgarman said: Bottom line; Many of us are priced out of/refuse to pay the current pricing of Cuban cigars. To be honest, I think "refuse to pay" is the most accurate description for most of us. Taking a baseline cigar like a PSD4 and looking at it as objectively as I can. I think they were under priced by a fairly large margin pre-Covid. I'd opine that they are just moderately over priced in the market now. If they had not been such a great value at one time, the current pricing would not seem quite so unreasonable. So even as a person of moderate means, I could choose to buy and smoke Cuban cigars daily. $25 for a cigar in today's world isn't that unreasonable, about the price of a decent meal. But I don't choose to do so. Some of that decision is influenced by the spiteful residue from the quickly spiralling prices of a few years back. Some of it is just habit. For years I bought a box or two of Cuban cigars every month. Never anything fancy, just good solid smokes. But then I stopped doing it. Now I buy and smoke New World cigars. Life goes on just the same. To the topic: It will be interesting to see what the grey market looks like in the coming months. There does seem to be some depth of selection building up. No indication of how deeply those boxes are stacked though, I suspect pretty thinly. For now there are no bargains to be had. The 24:24 selection has been pretty spectacular compared with previous times. I have to say that some of the PC's on there are looking like a decent value again when I take into account the dearth of decent PC's in the New World lines. 1
YoPapa Posted January 31 Posted January 31 The place to buy right now is China, Hong Kong and Asian markets. The Chinese entity that owns half of Habanos recently depleted Spain's strategic warehouse of some 500,000 cigars. They also decimated another warehouse in Muriel, Cuba. There was nothing anybody could do about it. So that's where the bulk of the inventory is right now.
Boss Hog Posted January 31 Posted January 31 16 hours ago, TobaccoRoad said: Taking a baseline cigar like a PSD4 and looking at it as objectively as I can. I think they were under priced by a fairly large margin pre-Covid. I'd opine that they are just moderately over priced in the market now. If they had not been such a great value at one time, the current pricing would not seem quite so unreasonable. So even as a person of moderate means, I could choose to buy and smoke Cuban cigars daily. $25 for a cigar in today's world isn't that unreasonable, about the price of a decent meal. Couldn’t agree more.
El Presidente Posted January 31 Posted January 31 14 hours ago, YoPapa said: . The Chinese entity that owns half of Habanos recently depleted Spain's strategic warehouse of some 500,000 cigars. Given China was where much of it was going...they just cut out the middle man.
naim_yazbeck Posted February 15 Author Posted February 15 Just passed by Beirut duty free LCDH, which used to have one of the largest stock. Except Behike, they have nothing. not even HdM Epi 1 and 2. Is the year heading towards an even worse shortage supply? Are you seeing the same in your countries? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1
El Presidente Posted February 15 Posted February 15 10 hours ago, naim_yazbeck said: Just passed by Beirut duty free LCDH, which used to have one of the largest stock. Except Behike, they have nothing. not even HdM Epi 1 and 2. Is the year heading towards an even worse shortage supply? Are you seeing the same in your countries? Supply appears to largely be determined by distributors current relationship with Habanos. Asia Pacific supply has improved significantly since September 2024. 1 2
Li Bai Posted February 16 Posted February 16 11 hours ago, El Presidente said: Supply appears to largely be determined by distributors current relationship with Habanos. Asia Pacific supply has improved significantly since September 2024. Good to hear! In the meantime, France supply appears to be at an all-time low and, according to some shop owners, a few Coprova commercials almost openly ask for bribes in order to prioritize their shop. As you said Prez, HSA are likely using stocks of the distributors they own to make the other ones pull their heads in, I can't see another reason why we'd be in this situation here.
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