Mold Plume article

[The Squiggler]

On 12/9/2019 at 8:16 AM, bundwallah said:

I like "Jenna's" comment following the article.  And shortly thereafter, the author makes a doozy of a comment which is a clear cop out.

"bostonjimmie says:

December 8, 2019 at 10:54 pm

Boston Jimmie here – I want to thank everyone who has commented on this article. I feel it proved it’s point – mold vs plume is the most controversial topic in the cigar community. I purposely used the Tatajue cigar photo as an example of plume and it got the reaction I expected. Those that believe plume is real and those that believe it is not stated without testing that it is mold. Of course those that don’t believe in plume any such material is mold but those that do believe in plume- how can you say what it is if you don’t have the physical cigar in you hands? In the end use your own judgment and smoke what pleases you."

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I read the article when it was first linked here, but coming back to read the comment section was the best decision I've made all morning.  Jenna's comment was quite well conceived and delivered--I was pleased to read it as well.  It appears 'bostonjimmie' is trying to excuse himself for the obvious gaffe of posting that terrible example of 'plume', and in doing so, only manages to embarrass himself further. 

What's seems even more telling to me than bostonjimmie's nonsequitur cop-out, though, is the direct response to the comment:

I would like to state unequivocally (for the record) that the word 'loose' when used as a verb means 'to release' (or 'let loose of').  If this is the caliber of mind we're dealing with on the 'plumer' side of this 'debate' I think we can pretty much stick a fork in it. 

[Derboesekoenig]

What I want to know is the origin of the word plume, and when it was first used in regards to cigars. Anyone?

[The Squiggler]

Well, sheetfarrr... turns out we had it backwards (lab results be damned):

mold does not exist after all... sorry guys

[akpreacher]

Just want to say I appreciate all the effort that has been put in by @El Presidente and others on the plume vs mold topic. I had an interaction with an avid “plumer” and was able to show them the study done on plume. His “proof” he sent me was just pictures of cigars with “plume” on them! Smh

 

 

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[The Squiggler]

12 hours ago, akpreacher said:

Just want to say I appreciate all the effort that has been put in by @El Presidente and others on the plume vs mold topic. I had an interaction with an avid “plumer” and was able to show them the study done on plume. His “proof” he sent me was just pictures of cigars with “plume” on them! Smh

According to Habanos, S.A. plume has been mold all along: 

"Prolonged wetness rots tobacco, but you are much more likely to encounter ‘bloom’. This is a white, powdery mould that occurs naturally on a Habano when it is subjected to a sudden increase in humidity. It is a sign that the cigar is alive and well and should simply be removed with a brush." 

This--"the plume=mold theory"--is simultaneously confounding and infuriating in its compromising rationality.  A total cop-out if I've ever seen one ??. 

[akpreacher]

Lol it’s like a group of guys was sitting around smoking cigars and one of them says, “Hey Tom what’s that white stuff on your cigar? Is that mold!?!?!?”. Tom not wanting to be the guy with a moldy cigar replied, “Dave don’t be an idiot! This is an ultra rare substance that shows up on cigars that have been aged at the perfect temp and humidity and causes my cigar to taste even better!” Then just like mold the idea spread through the group.


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[The Squiggler]

43 minutes ago, akpreacher said:

it’s like a group of guys was sitting around smoking cigars and one of them says, “Hey Tom what’s that white stuff on your cigar? Is that mold!?!?!?”. Tom not wanting to be the guy with a moldy cigar replied, “Dave don’t be an idiot! This is an ultra rare substance that shows up on cigars that have been aged at the perfect temp and humidity and causes my cigar to taste even better!”

"Holy hell, Tommy!  That's not mold is it?!?"

"No way Davey, that's plume!"

"What in god's name is plume?"

"Well, you see, it's a kind of mold that..."

and thusly 'plume' was born

[Colt45]

On 12/12/2019 at 12:38 AM, Derboesekoenig said:

What I want to know is the origin of the word plume, and when it was first used in regards to cigars. Anyone?

No idea, really, but always figured plume is an offshoot / synonym for the term bloom

[akpreacher]

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[The Squiggler]

@akpreacher I can kinda dig it though.  I think if it was clear from the beginning that plume=yeast and therefore must be distinguished from other strains of fungus or mold that may grow on cigars, this debate wouldn't inspire such fervor.  The main contention here seems to be that so many people parrot the assertion that plume=crystallized oil that more reasonable theories, such as 'plume is a harmless strain of yeast that feeds on the sugars in the tobacco, tending to arise when the moisture content of the wrapper leaf rises above a certain level' get lost in the noise.  If this were the predominating 'plumer' theory, I doubt people would so adamantly refute it. 

[akpreacher]

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[The Squiggler]

Well... I think yeast infections are caused by a pH imbalance leading to proliferation--not by the presence of the yeast strains themselves--so I doubt it presents much of a hazard.  The assertion that candida≠mold is obviously semantic runaround... regardless, I'd still be more inclined to compromise on a plume theory that concedes 'plume is and has always been a strain of harmless fungus/mold' (that is what Habanos, S.A. claims, after all ?). 

[akpreacher]

Lol I’m of the persuasion that if something is already called by a name then there is no need to rename it!


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[The Squiggler]

9 minutes ago, akpreacher said:

Lol I’m of the persuasion that if something is already called by a name then there is no need to rename it!

I'm with you there ?