Pag Posted October 28, 2018 Posted October 28, 2018 Or......... they box and ship them all as firsts. Youve seen some of the boxes Rob pulls right? Pale, thin wrappers, under filled, no bands, etc. Is that what these customs look like? Even the mighty EL is still in Cuba, reasources arent exactly easy to come by. Calling any custom an “EL Second” is deceptive, at best. Doubly so when, as Rob mentioned, there havent been any siglo VI or Behike FIRSTs in a year or more. Im sure cigars make their way out the back door of factories. And some torcedores certainly sell their 5 cigar daily allotment rather than smoke them. But turning those trickles into a sustainable cigar export business is alot easier said than done, ask HSA. I just think it's interesting how these "seconds " look better than some of the firsts that are actually boxed up. Cuba can barely keep up with demand as it is. I doubt there is someone pulling seconds. They box them all. That's why Rob is in the warehouse grading these boxes.Sent from my SM-N910P using Tapatalk 1
nKostyan Posted October 28, 2018 Posted October 28, 2018 Prez I completely respect your position...and it surely does make sense...but lets also be clear...us Americans who are purchasing these have already COMMITTED to bending the law through years of buying great to poor quality CCs against the rules. Im not about to get a guilt trip now...apologies in advance.According to my information, the US law allows the official supply Of Cuban cigars in the reservation of the indigenous people - the Indians. In addition, Obama allowed to import Cigars travelers who visited Cuba personally.
mbflash80 Posted October 28, 2018 Posted October 28, 2018 56 minutes ago, nKostyan said: According to my information, the US law allows the official supply Of Cuban cigars in the reservation of the indigenous people - the Indians. In addition, Obama allowed to import Cigars travelers who visited Cuba personally. Tell that to the noellas jar ive had sitting in NYSC customs for a month...lol 2
Derboesekoenig Posted October 28, 2018 Posted October 28, 2018 1 hour ago, nKostyan said: According to my information, the US law allows the official supply Of Cuban cigars in the reservation of the indigenous people - the Indians. In addition, Obama allowed to import Cigars travelers who visited Cuba personally. And which information is this? Indians--you mean Native Americans? They are under their own jurisdiction, but they still have to transit out of the US and back to the US, so I don't understand that. Obama tried his best to help with Cuba. Everyone always talks about how the embargo will end, etc. No way in hell. Not in my lifetime, and I'm in my 20s.
Popular Post El Presidente Posted October 28, 2018 Popular Post Posted October 28, 2018 4 hours ago, mbflash80 said: Prez I completely respect your position...and it surely does make sense...but lets also be clear...us Americans who are purchasing these have already COMMITTED to bending the law through years of buying great to poor quality CCs against the rules. Im not about to get a guilt trip now...apologies in advance. Mate no guilt trip at all. I am not targeting those who enjoy the cigars. More power to you. My issue is the marketing of the cigars. What I stated is not a "position", but in this case a fact. They are either procured by theft or they are being sold by fraud. There is no middle ground as far as I can see. Again, I have no issues at all with Larry loco Lonsdales or Magoos El Mango 109. However when Magoo starts telling me that his 109 El Mango are factory La Corona Bushido seconds (or firsts) then I will call bullshit on it. "What's in a name?" Nothing at all until the truth starts being bent. 7 2
mbflash80 Posted October 28, 2018 Posted October 28, 2018 19 minutes ago, El Presidente said: Mate no guilt trip at all. I am not targeting those who enjoy the cigars. More power to you. My issue is the marketing of the cigars. What I stated is not a "position", but in this case a fact. They are either procured by theft or they are being sold by fraud. There is no middle ground as far as I can see. Again, I have no issues at all with Larry loco Lonsdales or Magoos El Mango 109. However when Magoo starts telling me that his 109 El Mango are factory La Corona Bushido seconds (or firsts) then I will call bullshit on it. "What's in a name?" Nothing at all until the truth starts being bent. I dont know that truth is being bent...I dont know that it is not...what I cant dispute is that after years of buying CCs with varying results in quality and satisfaction, a more consistent way of procuring very good cigars has been presented to me. To the point now where if the source were to say they were simply modeled after production cigars I would tip my hat, say congrats on being better than the machine...and please send me 2 more bundles... 1
El Presidente Posted October 28, 2018 Posted October 28, 2018 Just now, mbflash80 said: I dont know that truth is being bent...I dont know that it is not...what I cant dispute is that after years of buying CCs with varying results in quality and satisfaction, a more consistent way of procuring very good cigars has been presented to me. To the point now where if the source were to say they were simply modeled after production cigars I would tip my hat, say congrats on being better than the machine...and please send me 2 more bundles... My point exactly. You would still buy them without the fairytale. There is no need for the fibs. 1
mbflash80 Posted October 28, 2018 Posted October 28, 2018 17 minutes ago, El Presidente said: My point exactly. You would still buy them without the fairytale. There is no need for the fibs. So a hypothetical deeper dive...because i certainly do not have the knowledge of the machine that you do...how do these cigars get produced to such quality through so many various vitolas? Talismans, Coros, Sig 6s, Wide Churchills. Vagias, etc...all tasting as they should, smoking beautifully with excellent construction? How does a small operation by any measure accomplish that? Its quite a feat if they really are a whimsical tale...
El Presidente Posted October 28, 2018 Posted October 28, 2018 6 minutes ago, mbflash80 said: So a hypothetical deeper dive...because i certainly do not have the knowledge of the machine that you do...how do these cigars get produced to such quality through so many various vitolas? Talismans, Coros, Sig 6s, Wide Churchills. Vagias, etc...all tasting as they should, smoking beautifully with excellent construction? How does a small operation by any measure accomplish that? Its quite a feat if they really are a whimsical tale... In Cuba, the smaller the operation the easier it is to control the quality output. it's that simple. 1 1
vinnyvega Posted October 29, 2018 Posted October 29, 2018 Threats of violence can help your tactics as well. Lololol!!!
Popular Post El Presidente Posted October 29, 2018 Popular Post Posted October 29, 2018 1 hour ago, juri said: so since these "seconds" are so good (not some cheap knockoff fakes made from floor sweepings) ether 'fell off the back of s truck' or are homemade from tobacco ect.. smuggled out of the factory? You don't have to smuggle tobacco out of the factory. You need a supply of quality farm tobacco (not difficult as farms can retain 10%) and to work with or set up a rolling unit/team (not difficult as there are plenty of retired rollers or rollers who have been let go). They are referred to as chincala's. Mostly they are small operating out of houses/apartments. I have seen some very good ones over the years with up to 8 rollers. The end result from a visual/construction is pretty much perfect. 2 7
nKostyan Posted October 30, 2018 Posted October 30, 2018 When dealing with a custom or homemade cigars, do not forget about the eggs of the tobacco beetle. All HSA cigars undergo low-temperature processing, unlike all others. Even custom from torsedor LCDH as Alejandro or Yolanda and others, are not processed from the tobacco beetle. my friend forgot put Alejandro’s custom rolls to freezer for several days before putting in humidor and got a few pets ?
nKostyan Posted October 30, 2018 Posted October 30, 2018 very interesting, do they sell them on the side to locals as under their own farm name? also do some try and dupe tourist into thinking they are legit cohiba ect... Most home cigar tobacco is not HSA tobacco. Farmers will not risk selling tobacco to the black market, not to the state.The government and police in recent years has turned a blind eye to the sale of fake and custom. Cubans live very poorly and the sale is not the original-the opportunity to earn a little. Therefore, if you are carrying a fake, at the airport customs does not ask for a check LCDH. But if the Cuban is caught by the police with the original stolen from the factory without a check-he faces prison
Nino Posted October 30, 2018 Posted October 30, 2018 10 hours ago, El Presidente said: They are referred to as chincala's. The correct word is Chinchal or Chinchales in plural @El Presidente 1 1
El Presidente Posted October 30, 2018 Posted October 30, 2018 4 minutes ago, nino said: The correct word is Chinchal or Chinchales in plural @El Presidente Thank you Nino! I have only heard it used in Havana but never ever seen it written. Naturally, they don't hand a sign 1
Popular Post Ken Gargett Posted October 30, 2018 Popular Post Posted October 30, 2018 17 minutes ago, nino said: The correct word is Chinchal or Chinchales in plural @El Presidente post of the year!! nino, brilliant! the number of times whipcrack has lectured me ad nauseum on my poco espanol. never again. nino, you have set me free. 1 4
El Presidente Posted October 30, 2018 Posted October 30, 2018 21 minutes ago, Ken Gargett said: post of the year!! nino, brilliant! the number of times whipcrack has lectured me ad nauseum on my poco espanol. never again. nino, you have set me free. idiota 2
Ken Gargett Posted October 30, 2018 Posted October 30, 2018 19 minutes ago, El Presidente said: idiota are you sure that is the correct way to spell it? perhaps you better check with nino. 2
El Presidente Posted October 30, 2018 Posted October 30, 2018 Just now, Ken Gargett said: are you sure that is the correct way to spell it? perhaps you better check with nino. i would google it but I don't know what google is in spanish 1
Ken Gargett Posted October 30, 2018 Posted October 30, 2018 18 minutes ago, El Presidente said: i would google it but I don't know what google is in spanish welcome to my world.
Nino Posted October 30, 2018 Posted October 30, 2018 5 hours ago, El Presidente said: i would google it but I don't know what google is in spanish Gugel .... ??
Ken Gargett Posted October 31, 2018 Posted October 31, 2018 12 hours ago, alloy said: You two...Martin and Lewis? ? not sure rob is going to be happy being compared to jerry lewis.
Guest Nekhyludov Posted November 1, 2018 Posted November 1, 2018 I don't much care what Johnny-Os are or where they come from. But after the sh*t he pulled over at OLH today - going out of his way to call out @El Presidente by name to insult him - I wouldn't do business with Johnny for cigars, rum, coffee, or anything else he's peddling.
Derboesekoenig Posted November 1, 2018 Posted November 1, 2018 Huge lack of professionalism on his part. I will not being doing business with him either.
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