food myths

[dvickery]

nothing to do (sort of) with "food myths" but i am posting this anyway ...

when i was 16 i worked that summer at fraser vale frozen food plant in chilliwack bc ... also made strawberry and raspberry jam ... i know for a fact there are lots of insect parts in jam ... many many wasps hanging out were the berries are first squished and lots of wasps get squished also ... next stop grocery store shelves (with wasp parts included) .

to this day i dont buy commercially made jams and jellies ... home made is okay tho .

derrek

[Ken Gargett]

article on "food additives", intentional or otherwise.

and on the topic, a mate of mine worked for a very large and well known "emporium" in hiss uni holidays. he was part of the 'making the chicken pies' team. said that for every 144 pies, they used two small chooks.

Fancy some ground up insects in your frappuccino or how about in your child's strawberry yoghurt? If you didn't know insects might be part of your daily diet you aren't alone. Recent revelations about the use of crushed cochineal insects in our food have been provoking outrage from consumers.

In March, US coffee chain Starbucks came under fire after it was exposed for using cochineal extract in its strawberry frappuccinos, smoothies and pastries. More than 6500 people signed a Change.org online petition asking Starbucks to stop using the crimson dye extracted from cochineal insects to colour products such as its Strawberries & Creme Frappuccino because it wasn't vegan and consumers "don't want crushed bugs in their designer drinks" said the website. The company backed down and said a tomato based extract would be used instead. "What originally began as a story to inform vegans that their Starbucks' Strawberry Frappucino was no longer safe to consume ended up being an issue that bothered many people," said the website.

In this country, Food Standards Australia and New Zealand, says that cochineal is used in a variety of everyday products including savoury sauce, flavoured milk, confectionery, cake, dip, dairy dessert, ice cream and yoghurt and "must be listed by its name 'cochineal, 'carmines' or 'carminic acid' or by its food additive number 120". If you're unsure, then check the food label.

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It seems that when it comes to eating insects whether they are disguised in a strawberry frappuccino or visible in a bug stir fry, most people only have one reaction — disgust.

"Disgust is an emotion that evolved to protect us against "threats, contagious disease and toxic substances, by motivating us to keep our distance, and making the idea of putting potentially poisonous or infected stuff in our mouth utterly foul," says Dr Daniel Kelly, author of Yuck!: The Nature and Moral Significance of Disgust and an assistant professor of philosophy at Purdue University in the US. "Finding out that you've been unknowingly ingesting ground up creepy-crawlies with your breakfast seems like a situation almost perfectly designed to push people's disgust and outrage buttons," he says.

But while we are mostly disgusted by eating insects other countries embrace it says Kelly. "There's a lot of cultural variability in what people find disgusting, and what they are willing to eat without batting an eye," he says. "The idea of eating any kind of insects might seem inherently repulsive to many Westerners, but that's not a universal sentiment. People from other cultures with different traditional cuisines can be much more comfortable eating what we Westerners might consider revolting, likewise they might consider some of what we enjoy gross. Vegemite anyone?"

In her new book That's Disgusting: Unravelling the Mysteries of Repulsion, Rachel Herz writes that countries such as Thailand, Vietnam, Colombia, Brazil and Mexico have a huge appetite for bugs with the most popular dishes being "deep-fried crickets, barbecued larvae and grilled tarantulas". The emotion of disgust evolved "to engender an avoidance of rotten and toxic food" she writes and we learn which foods are disgusting through our cultural heritage. Many Westerners enjoy eating pungent cheeses, says Herz, for example, Brie and Gorgonzola but they would probably be disgusted by the idea of eating Natto, a fermented soybean dish enjoyed by the Japanese which smells "like the marriage of ammonia and a tire fire". Many Asians meanwhile "regard all cheese — from processed American slices to Stilton — as utterly disgusting and the literal equivalent of cow excrement." Other foods guaranteed to disgust include Casu Marzu, a sheep cheese popular on the Italian island of Sardinia, which contains live maggot larvae and the Icelandic delicacy hákarl, rotten shark meat, "which causes most newbies to gag or vomit."

One person who is not disgusted by eating insects is entomologist Skye Blackburn. "Eighty per cent of the world's population eats bugs on a regular basis so we are actually in the minority that don't," she says. For Blackburn the bug business has never been better. She offers a range of products through her Butterfly Skye's Bug Shop including chocolate covered crickets, mealworm cookies and lollies containing edible crickets, mealworms or scorpions. "We are currently expanding our range of edible insect products and at this stage we sell over 1000 Creepy Creature candy lollipops per week. Several stores through Australia sell the lollipops and we get a lot of sales directly through our website," she says. Blackburn is also in demand at food festivals and corporate cooking demonstrations. "I am in favour of eating insects but do understand that this is hard for some people to get their head around but I would encourage everyone to try eating a farm raised bug at least once in their life." The next opportunity for a bug taste test will be in October at the Eat 2 The Beat festival, part of the Sydney International Food Festival, where Blackburn will be giving cooking demonstrations using bugs.

In the future Herz believes our aversion to eating insects could be reversed from disgusting to virtuous. "With the right spin and artful camouflage, eating wriggling, squiggling, squeaking, insects is in vogue and getting ever more popular" she writes. "If entomophagy (insects as food) became popular, a way to end world hunger would be within reach." She could be right. According to the Guardian, a policy paper on the eating of insects is being formally considered by the UN Food and Agriculture Organisation and there are plans for a world congress in 2013. Suddenly cochineal doesn't seem so bad.

[Guest rob]

A meat pie doesn't have to contain as much meat as you would think..... Or even the kind of meat you thought it should!

Meat pie regulations in Australia, as quoted from our Federal Food Standards govt body:

"Standard 2.2.1 in the Food Standards Code governing meat and meat products which stipulates that a meat pie must contain a minimum of 25 per cent of meat flesh.

According to the Standard, meat flesh means:

The skeletal muscle of the carcass of any buffalo, camel, cattle, deer, goat, hare, pig, poultry, rabbit or sheep, slaughtered other than in a wild state (i.e. not bush meat), plus any attached animal rind, fat, connective tissue, nerve, blood and blood vessels.

If a manufacturer adds offal such as tongue roots, liver, spleen or tripe they must declare it on the label."

[Nedule]

Did you know vanilla flavouring in some food products, especially cheap ice cream is not what you think. It's very likely you're eating beaver anus glands,

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[dafrey23]

Maybe it is an ancient or even current French derivative, but a pomme is an apple. I have never heard of anybody calling a potato a pomme as that would just be confusing.

It is posts like these that add nothing to a thread that makes me wonder if all you enjoy doing with your life is to follow my posts and nitpick whenever you see the slightest opening....

Sorry Schlomo, but it's fairly common slang in the French language in this case that a pomme is referred to as a potato. Yes, I know that a pomme is an apple. A pomme de terre is a an apple of the earth, or potato. You are taking the phrase literally when it's a common euphemism in the French language. If you're going to say something that's quite obviously wrong, expect someone to correct the record so that others don't get confused.

[shlomo]

Sorry Schlomo, but it's fairly common slang in the French language in this case that a pomme is referred to as a potato. Yes, I know that a pomme is an apple. A pomme de terre is a an apple of the earth, or potato. You are taking the phrase literally when it's a common euphemism in the French language. If you're going to say something that's quite obviously wrong, expect someone to correct the record so that others don't get confused.

no worries at all aboug being corrected. being a french teacher and living my entire life in a french city while growing up in

a francophone household, i have never heard pomme being reffered to as a potato. but it is possible that i am wrong.

[dafrey23]

no worries at all aboug being corrected. being a french teacher and living my entire life in a french city while growing up in

a francophone household, i have never heard pomme being reffered to as a potato. but it is possible that i am wrong.

And as a language teacher, you know that not all euphemisms and slang reach all areas where a language is spoken. Just do a google search on "pomme frites Montreal" and you'll see the term gets used all the time. If you look hard enough, it'll even show up on menus. It may not make sense to you, but people shorten words in their language all the time, and that's what's going on here. Be glad you don't have to deal with people saying "whatevs" instead of whatever like I have to. It's slang, it may not make sense, but the meaning is understood.

[CaptainQuintero]

Pommes frites or pommes is chips in German too if my high-school German is right