Fatshotbud Posted November 28, 2008 Posted November 28, 2008 OK - These two names seemed to get used interchangeably from what I have observed. At one point I began to assume it had something to do with (Internet) site owner’s geographic location. I would go to site "X" and see referencing as Monarchs - Then pop over to site "Y" and they are Monarcas. Descriptions of both are Julieta #2 format at 178 x 47 weighing 15.07 gr. Then today I came across a site that lists both? Everything still described the same except this site noted the Monarchs as "Machine Made" and Monarcas "Hand Made". Now I am not the expert but has there ever been any “Machine Made” this large? I know Punch made a Julieta #2 in tubos and it was named Monarcas. Are the Monarchs in tubos being referred to as Monarcas? I just wanted to share my confusion and hope to get clarification.. If this has been a topic before – feel free to give me the linky thing. Thanks - BUD
Hoops Posted November 28, 2008 Posted November 28, 2008 According to Min Ron Nee's Illustrated Encyclopaedia of Post-Revolutionary Havana Cigars (a great book for reference and browsing), the difference between the Monarchs and Monarcas is the packaging -- Monarcas come in aluminum tubes and the Monarchs come bare in semi plain boxes.
Don Candido Posted November 28, 2008 Posted November 28, 2008 According to Min Ron Nee's Illustrated Encyclopaedia of Post-Revolutionary Havana Cigars (a great book for reference and browsing), the difference between the Monarchs and Monarcas is the packaging -- Monarcas come in aluminum tubes and the Monarchs come bare in semi plain boxes. I also believe that is the only difference.
shrink Posted November 28, 2008 Posted November 28, 2008 According to Min Ron Nee's Illustrated Encyclopaedia of Post-Revolutionary Havana Cigars (a great book for reference and browsing), the difference between the Monarchs and Monarcas is the packaging -- Monarcas come in aluminum tubes and the Monarchs come bare in semi plain boxes. If there was ever a cigar that benefits from aging al Tubo, it's the H.U. Monarca. The Upmann flavor profile just seems to deepen and intensify in the tube. I've had examples from similarly aged dress boxes that were good, but just not the same. I've been meaning to do an experiment by putting some young Sir Winstons into tubes, and comparing them with their untubed siblings a few years down the road.
Don Candido Posted November 28, 2008 Posted November 28, 2008 I've been meaning to do an experiment by putting some young Sir Winstons into tubes, and comparing them with their untubed siblings a few years down the road. I think I have some Monarchs and Monarca's from the same year (1996 or 1997). I need to go look. Maybe I will send a few pairs out for some reviews. Let me know if you are interested in reviewing a pair for everyone online. Speaking of sending out smokes, I offered Bolivar Corona Gigantes from 1996 [Cohiba Cigar Divan - Hong Kong - no bands] online many months ago. I got a bunch of replies, filed them in my email and went on vacation. Today is the first time I remembered I never sent those out. If you responded, they are coming soon. I do not know if I have enough to cover previous requests, but I think I do. If anyone did not reply who would like to get in line for extras, let me know. If you reply with your mailing address, that is all I need. I will let people know who reply if I run out. [and I will probably find something else to mail to you.] Emails must be received by Sunday, November 30, at 6pm Pacific Time to be in this offering. Happy Thanksgiving! DC
Fatshotbud Posted November 28, 2008 Author Posted November 28, 2008 Did a quick check on ww.habanos.com and their listing for this vitola is "Monarcas" Anyone got a box handy that can check the name on it - I am a couple hundred mile away from my humidor. Curious what the tubo and non-tubo boxes each say. Also - has anyone found churchill sized machine mades? I think this was a misprint. BUD
Jimmy2 Posted November 28, 2008 Posted November 28, 2008 Very good cigar have not had one in a while maybe will get some soon.Yummy
Fatshotbud Posted November 28, 2008 Author Posted November 28, 2008 If there was ever a cigar that benefits from aging al Tubo, it's the H.U. Monarca. The Upmann flavor profile just seems to deepen and intensify in the tube. I've had examples from similarly aged dress boxes that were good, but just not the same. I've been meaning to do an experiment by putting some young Sir Winstons into tubes, and comparing them with their untubed siblings a few years down the road. A friend and I are running a little test like that - We both have Sir Winston DTF MAY03 code - I am box aging mine in normal dressed box and my friend has vacuum sealed his. We plan to do a comparison sometime in 2013 --
android Posted November 28, 2008 Posted November 28, 2008 Anyone got a box handy that can check the name on it - I am a couple hundred mile away from my humidor. Curious what the tubo and non-tubo boxes each say. Hey Bud...I have several boxes (BN25) of Upmann Monarchs non-tubed, some from Paris and others from Spain....all are hand mand and specify Monarchs on the boxes. Very good smokes. Andy
Fatshotbud Posted November 29, 2008 Author Posted November 29, 2008 Thanks Andy - Anyone have a box of tubos they can check? I am not doubting MRN statement but rather still looking for more validation. On the machine made part of the question - I have seen from Petites to Long Panetela and Coronas but nothing in a Churchill size. Guess I could contact the site where I saw it to get clarification.
Minismithy Posted November 29, 2008 Posted November 29, 2008 Anyone have a box of tubos they can check? Bud, i recall a box in the czar humidor, seem to remember it saying monarcas, and the cigars are in the A/T. I can check again for you on monday when I'm back at work if you don't mind waiting
Fatshotbud Posted November 29, 2008 Author Posted November 29, 2008 Anyone have a box of tubos they can check?Bud, i recall a box in the czar humidor, seem to remember it saying monarcas, and the cigars are in the A/T. I can check again for you on monday when I'm back at work if you don't mind waiting Thanks - And help yourself to one
Don Candido Posted November 30, 2008 Posted November 30, 2008 Thanks - And help yourself to one Well maybe I was wrong... I have a box of Tubos. It is labeled H. Upmann / 25 - Monarchs; box code: JM-OUSA.
Fatshotbud Posted November 30, 2008 Author Posted November 30, 2008 I did some more looking around and found a site selling "Monarcas and Monarcas Tubos" Thanks for your update Don!
neal875 Posted November 30, 2008 Posted November 30, 2008 I have a box of 25 in tubes and the box is labelled H. Upmann Monarchs. Box code ECA March '01.
greenpimp Posted November 30, 2008 Posted November 30, 2008 I have tubes and regulars. Both labeled Monarchs.
Fatshotbud Posted November 30, 2008 Author Posted November 30, 2008 Hmmm - the plot thickens So are there actually any H. Upmann Monarcas out there (in containers labeled as such)?
Minismithy Posted December 1, 2008 Posted December 1, 2008 Hmmm - the plot thickens So are there actually any H. Upmann Monarcas out there (in containers labeled as such)? i just checked the A/T box in the humidor here at czars and it was in fact Monarchs, guess i misread it or something. Box code is PUT MAR 07. Sorry Bud
Mel Posted December 1, 2008 Posted December 1, 2008 Hmmm - the plot thickens So are there actually any H. Upmann Monarcas out there (in containers labeled as such)? Yes the Tang commisioned Julieta #2 are untubed and in a SLB clearly labeled Monarcas.
Jokermann Posted December 2, 2008 Posted December 2, 2008 Hmmm - the plot thickens So are there actually any H. Upmann Monarcas out there (in containers labeled as such)? I have a Feb 2001 box no tubes labeled Monarcas. Will take a pic when I get home.
Van55 Posted December 2, 2008 Posted December 2, 2008 I have a box of 25 in tubes and the box is labelled H. Upmann Monarchs. Box code ECA March '01. My 2003 box of H. Upmann Monarch Tubos is also labelled "Monarchs" and the same name is printed on the aluminum tubes. A 1985 box without tubes is also labelled "Monarchs". Charles del Todesco's book, "The Havana Cigar," published in 1996, pictures a tubed Monarch as the only example of a Monarch and the tube pictured (p. 198) is labelled "Monarch." On page 89, Perelman's Pocket Cyclopedia of Havana Cigars (Third Ed.) lists H. Upmann Monarchs (tube and non-tube) as a single entry, just as it lists the RyJ Churchill as a single entry of tubed and non-tubed cigars. The the tubed "Monarcas" pitcured next to Nee's entry for "Monarcas" is actually labelled "Monarch" at page 178, and the box of tubed cigars on pate 179 is also labelled "Monarchs". I honestly don't know why NEE used the term "Monarcas" given the photos. but I am no expert on the history of Cuban cigars.
Van55 Posted December 2, 2008 Posted December 2, 2008 According to Min Ron Nee's Illustrated Encyclopaedia of Post-Revolutionary Havana Cigars (a great book for reference and browsing), the difference between the Monarchs and Monarcas is the packaging -- Monarcas come in aluminum tubes and the Monarchs come bare in semi plain boxes. That might be true; however, see pp 178-79 where NEE lists them as separate entries. As tasting notes for both he simply refers the reader to his nots for the H. Upmann Sir Winston. He once intimated to me that he thinks that Monarchs and Sir Winston are the same exact blend, except that the best tobacco is reserved for the Sir Winston. Indeed, under his etnry for Monarchs, he refers to them as "The 'Sir Winston" and'Monarcas' in Semi Plaint Boxes." Contrast pp 414, where NEE covers RyJ Churchills, tubed and non-tubed as a single entry. Note too, that he never suggests that RyJ Churchills, Clemenceaus and Prince of Wales are the same cigar in different packaging.
Trevor2118 Posted December 2, 2008 Posted December 2, 2008 According to Min Ron Nee's Illustrated Encyclopaedia of Post-Revolutionary Havana Cigars (a great book for reference and browsing), the difference between the Monarchs and Monarcas is the packaging -- Monarcas come in aluminum tubes and the Monarchs come bare in semi plain boxes. The quote referred to above is from the First Edition of MRN's book and it is INCORRECT. MRN corrected this in the 2005 reprinting, see Errata Page 492 ...... <quote> "Page 178, 179: The correct commercial vitola name of Monarcas should be Monarchs (in tubes). The caption alongside the pictures of the cigars is also wrong" <end quote> All this over a printing error
Van55 Posted December 2, 2008 Posted December 2, 2008 The quote referred to above is from the First Edition of MRN's book and it is INCORRECT. MRN corrected this in the 2005 reprinting, see Errata Page 492 ...... <quote> "Page 178, 179: The correct commercial vitola name of Monarcas should be Monarchs (in tubes). The caption alongside the pictures of the cigars is also wrong" <end quote> All this over a printing error Thanks for the clarification Trevor. I don't have the 2005 reprint. That said, I would hardly classify NEE's giving separate entries for Monarcas and Monarchs as a simply "printing error." But the error is, as you suggest, no big deal at all.
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