Lanthor Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 The April promotion got me thinking, are H.Upmann A/T handmade or not? I have read both, totally handmade, and machine bunched-hand finished...what is the verdict? Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yossie Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 » The April promotion got me thinking, are H.Upmann A/T handmade or not? » » I have read both, totally handmade, and machine bunched-hand » finished...what is the verdict? » » Thanks! Ask it Lisa. I also wondered quintello and JLP are whether machine made or not. She said they're machine made , nevertheless I've heard they're now made by hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevor2118 Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 » The April promotion got me thinking, are H.Upmann A/T handmade or not? » » I have read both, totally handmade, and machine bunched-hand finished...what is the verdict? » » Thanks! Handmade! I have copied my thread for information. The following information represents the current (2006/7) status of Habanos Cuban Cigars. It has been thoroughly checked out and has been confirmed by both Simon Chase of Hunters & Frankau, UK and by our own Rob Ayala of Friends of Habanos. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Currently there are now 27 brands in the Habanos Range. All these brands are fully handmade. Three of these brands contain all Tripa Corta (short filler) vitolas. These are Jose L Piedra, La Flor de Cano, and Quintero. In addition, three other brands contain a single Tripa Corta (short filler) vitola. These are Por Larranaga, Rafael Gonzalez, and Fonseca. Habanos no longer makes machine-bunched hand finished cigars. Production was reduced in the 1990’s, and was no longer produced by 2001. Short Filler cigars should have TC stamped on the box. However several boxes have recently been found unstamped. Dissecting the cigars proved that they were short filler. There are no longer any machine made cigars in the Habanos range. The Guantanamera and the recent mini cigar releases (Mini, Club, & Puritos) were always made (and are now distributed) by the Internacional Cubana de Tabacos s.a. The other machine-made brands (Belinda, Cabanas, Gispert, Los Statos, & Troya) have been removed from the Habanos range and were either discontinued or transferred to a company based in Spain. This should put an end to the various theories, but remember…….anything can happen in Cuba. Cheers, Trevor. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Copy of Simon Chase’s email: Trevor Apologies for the delay in responding but I have been away. If you go page 35 in the 'Cultivating' booklet you will find that there are three ways to make a Habano: Totalmente a mano - long filler, Totalmente a mano - short filler and Machine made. This was the case in 2001 when we produced the booklet and it remains the same today. Machine bunched, hand finished did exist, but it was discontinued sometime in the 1990s. There was some confusion during the early 1990s about Totalmente a mano being applied to boxes of short filler cigars, but the system developed at that time was definitely totally by hand, so it was logical to state this on boxes of these cigars. Machine bunched cigars were never described as Totalmente a mano. It has been agreed that boxes short filler, handmade cigars should be identified by the letters TC (Tripa Corta) but this is taking a long time to implement. The major changes that have taken place since the 2001 booklet and size charts were produced are: (i) that all the formerly machine made cigars in the major brands' portfolios have been converted to Totalmente a mano, long filler and (ii) that the marketing of the exclusively machine made brands such as Los Statos, Troya, Cabanas, Gispert and Belinda has been transferred to another company based in Spain. Consequently the Habanos SA range now consists of 27 brands as opposed to 33, all made Totalmente a mano either using long or short filler methods. This is what is reflected on the new size charts. It's not simple, but I hope this helps. Simon PS. Rob has been able to independently confirm this information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevor2118 Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 » I also wondered quintello and JLP are whether machine made or not. Yos, These are hand made now but they are "short-filler" cigars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevor2118 Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 » The April promotion got me thinking, are H.Upmann A/T handmade or not? » » I have read both, totally handmade, and machine bunched-hand finished...what is the verdict? » » Thanks! I have posted my older thread on this for general information. Regarding your specific question, the answer varies depending on time. Prior to about 2002 there were two H Upmann Coronas Major Tubos available: a Handmade Marevas 42 x 129 and a Machine-made Eminentes 44 x 132. The machine made type was available in both fully machine-made and a machine-bunched hand-finished version, that was discontinued in the 1990's. Around 2002, the handmade Marevas was discontinued and the Machine-made Eminentes was changed to a handmade Eminentes and the Eminentes Vitola resized to 42 x 132. i.e: Same ring as the old handmade and same length as the old machine-made. The current H Upmann Coronas Major is a (fully) handmade Eminentes 42 x 132. Most things you read on the www depend on when they were written! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanthor Posted April 3, 2008 Author Share Posted April 3, 2008 Trevor, Thank you for the info, very comprehensive and very appreciated!! Gathered info from Perelman, MRN, etc., so some dated stuff to sift through, you confirmed my thoughts. Cheers, Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yossie Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 » » I also wondered quintello and JLP are whether machine made or not. » » Yos, These are hand made now but they are "short-filler" cigars. Yes, I'm sured with your website. But Lisa doesn't recognize it as hand made for this sale. So, We should ask the definition of hand made and machine made to the real owner :-P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Presidente Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 » » » I also wondered quintello and JLP are whether machine made or not. » » » » Yos, These are hand made now but they are "short-filler" » cigars. » » Yes, I'm sured with your website. » But Lisa doesn't recognize it as hand made for this sale. » So, We should ask the definition of hand made and machine made to the real » owner :-P Poor use of terminology on our part. We should have said "Long Filler". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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