Not Here Too !!!

[DocRKS]

The State Legislature here in New Jersey has just passed a NO SMOKING Bill for all indoor confines - except Gambling Casinos and currently established cigar bars ---- NJ is the 11th State to go this route and the trend is picking up momentum and looks likely to pass in 18 more States in 2006.....

It's a good thing that our State Motto gives us guidance as to what to do in such a situation......

"In Jersey anything's legal as long as you don't get caught !";-)

[Ginseng]

» The State Legislature here in New Jersey has just passed a NO SMOKING Bill

» for all indoor confines - except Gambling Casinos and currently

» established cigar bars ---- NJ is the 11th State to go this route and the

» trend is picking up momentum and looks likely to pass in 18 more States in

» 2006.....

»

» It's a good thing that our State Motto gives us guidance as to what to do

» in such a situation......

»

» "In Jersey anything's legal as long as you don't get caught !";-)

Well that's just infuriating. Delware is already on that bandwagon so if Jersey goes, then I have no idea where I'm going to go to smoke. I guess my garage is safe...for now.

Wilkey

[guilow]

» my garage is safe...for now.

Yeah, "for now" is right. I predict than in 10 years there will be regulations concerning your rights to smoke in and around your ownhome. The idiotic US governement has taken on the approach of regulating every thins that "offends" others. It's only a matter of time....

[Mel]

When that **** gets to TN all it will do is create more "criminals".

The damn goverment already has its finger up my ass so far I'm gagging on it.

[Mikey]

You should come to California.People give you more **** for smoking a cigar than a joint....and I should know.:-D

Kill the SMOKERS!!!

[Shiba]

This is all getting out of control... Next thing you know, the government will be telling us what we can and can not eat. Bah!!!

[Phailure]

Its sounds like its only a matter of time untill other states fall victim. :-(

[Loki]

» The State Legislature here in New Jersey has just passed a NO SMOKING Bill

» for all indoor confines - except Gambling Casinos and currently

» established cigar bars ----

Yes It is a shame.:-( I'll be enjoying my last cigars at the local pub which has always been cigar friendly. I'm going to try to get out a bit more for the next 90 days or so. Even private clubs such as VFW and American legion are not exempt. I'm going to purchase a Friedrich air purifier for my office so I may smoke at home.

BTW , Doc did you get my email?

That's a great line from the Travelling Wilburies.

[habanohal]

It passed here in Chicago Illinois too. Now they are trying to pass it in Joliet ( city I am in) The querky thiong is that not even in New York, Buisnesses dont show a decline of revanue. They actually show increases in buisness.

If you talk to people they tell you that alot of people who never went to bars( because of the smoke) Now are actually going on a regular basis.

So it looks like for all the patrons that are smokers that do not goto bars now....... their places are taken by double the amount of people that are non smokers.

[davidmanning]

» » my garage is safe...for now.

»

» Yeah, "for now" is right. I predict than in 10 years there will be

» regulations concerning your rights to smoke in and around your ownhome.

Don't worry, that will never happen if it's your home. The US government pretty consistently recognizes the right to do what you want in your home (as long as it's consenting). Matter of fact, they've increased the scope of those privacy rights the last few years by striking down backward-thinking state laws about what kinds of sex are legal in the privacy of your home.

Now, there *are* co-op and condo associations in New York City (probably other places too) which are adding to the house bylaws that you can't smoke in your apartment. Apparently they're doing this under the guise of lowering the property resale value of the unit. Whatever it is, it's unadulterated bullshite.

I don't live in such a co-op. Even though I don't want to smoke in my apartment, I'd fight to have the board replaced if they came up with that rule. Total idiocy.

[guilow]

» Don't worry, that will never happen if it's your home. The US government

» pretty consistently recognizes the right to do what you want in your home

I disagree a little bit. Take the gun / self protection laws for example. In the old days, if you wake up in the middle of the night and find an intruder in your house....Bam. You shoot him, he's dead. No questions asked. Nowdays, if you try to protect yourself or your family IN YOUR OWN HOUSE the burden of proof in on the home owner to "justify" his actions! (except in Texas, of course). Pretty soon, you'll get sued for leaving clutter around the house when a prowler trips over it while looking for valuables.

[jwrussell]

» » Don't worry, that will never happen if it's your home. The US government

» » pretty consistently recognizes the right to do what you want in your

» home

»

» I disagree a little bit. Take the gun / self protection laws for

» example. In the old days, if you wake up in the middle of the night and

» find an intruder in your house....Bam. You shoot him, he's dead. No

» questions asked. Nowdays, if you try to protect yourself or your family

» IN YOUR OWN HOUSE the burden of proof in on the home owner to "justify" his

» actions! (except in Texas, of course). Pretty soon, you'll get sued for

» leaving clutter around the house when a prowler trips over it while looking

» for valuables.

Actually, this is working back the other way as well. At least in FL. We brought back the "Castle" rule. I at least don't have to retreat within my own home anymore.

Knew this was coming as my family lives there. What's kind of funny is that my chain-smoking father swore it would never pass. Told him it would. THey just had to get over trying to include the casinos.

Anyone know if there were exclusions for bars and such like in Florida?

[joshua]

» » » Don't worry, that will never happen if it's your home. The US

» government

» » » pretty consistently recognizes the right to do what you want in your

» » home

» »

» » I disagree a little bit. Take the gun / self protection laws for

» » example. In the old days, if you wake up in the middle of the night

» and

» » find an intruder in your house....Bam. You shoot him, he's dead. No

» » questions asked. Nowdays, if you try to protect yourself or your

» family

» » IN YOUR OWN HOUSE the burden of proof in on the home owner to "justify"

» his

» » actions! (except in Texas, of course). Pretty soon, you'll get sued

» for

» » leaving clutter around the house when a prowler trips over it while

» looking

» » for valuables.

»

» Actually, this is working back the other way as well. At least in FL. We

» brought back the "Castle" rule. I at least don't have to retreat within my

» own home anymore.

»

» Knew this was coming as my family lives there. What's kind of funny is

» that my chain-smoking father swore it would never pass. Told him it

» would. THey just had to get over trying to include the casinos.

» Anyone know if there were exclusions for bars and such like in Florida?

A year ago I visited Florida and as far as I know its technically not allowed in bars etc, but since the weather is warm enough a few of the places I went to would have windows that basically line complete walls of the establishment where they could open it up to the fresh air and thus allow smoking since it was technically outside. Someone said there was a certain amount of open space and it would be allowed under the law.

Unfortunately that won't fly too easily in NJ cause we don't have buildings set up for that, and have weather which wouldn't allow it. I am hoping places set up with proper ventilation systems will be exempt. Cigar shops themselves are exempt, and lounges already established (or hopefully new cigar lounges would fall under that category)

Perhaps if they began selling cigars on premises they can escape the law.

[Shiba]

Scary thing is that it is not even an election year!!!

[twoodruff]

do not like the direction this is headed

[piranha]

» The State Legislature here in New Jersey has just passed a NO SMOKING Bill

» for all indoor confines - except Gambling Casinos and currently

» established cigar bars ---- NJ is the 11th State to go this route and the

» trend is picking up momentum and looks likely to pass in 18 more States in

» 2006.....

»

» It's a good thing that our State Motto gives us guidance as to what to do

» in such a situation......

»

» "In Jersey anything's legal as long as you don't get caught !";-)

Living in MA, we have had a state wide ban on all indoor smoking of any kind since July 1, 2004. Most cigar stores in this state don't even allow smoking in their store anymore. It's so sad.:-(

[naga5]

» You should come to California.People give you more **** for smoking a cigar

» than a joint....and I should know.:-D

»

» Kill the SMOKERS!!!

»

»

mikey,

i think you are right. i never thought of it that way. i hate it when they kick out a cigar smoker at an indian casino and allow cigarette smoke to waft into the rafters.

rick

from sunny SoCal

[raney]

Arrrrrghh...

If this idiotic smoking in vehicle ban goes through, I'm doing prison time for sure...

Doc - what part o' the state are you in?

[Guest gorob23]

» You should come to California.People give you more **** for smoking a cigar

» than a joint....and I should know.:-D

It really burns me up that I can't (ok I am NOT allowed to legally[/b];-) ) smoke a cigar on the beach. Come on!! we play VB all day and on a warm night fire one up with a cold brew or rum. Then again we aren't SUPPOSED to drink either. :-D

P.D. buddy of mine said keep the drinks in plastic cups and forget all about the smoking thing, they weren't going to waste their time ticketing for that..

Rob

[korryp]

» Arrrrrghh...

»

» If this idiotic smoking in vehicle ban goes through, I'm doing prison time

» for sure...

»

» Doc - what part o' the state are you in?

Washington State is already banning smoking in cars while waiting for a State run Ferry.

Can't even smoke in your own car any more. 1 or 2 hour wait are horrible now.

[novasurf]

It does suck, but I've actually been smoking more in NYC than here anyway (Florio's, Merchants, GHR).

[El Presidente]

Effective July 1 we will have the toughest anti-smokling laws in the world. They have been progressively introduced over the past 12 months.

Thankfully we have a climate and a building code that every house is it's own Divan Long hot days, warm nights, big wide shady Verandahs.

The pubs and clubs which meet the requirements of seperated outdoor areas will do very well. Those that battle for internal areas are lost. The government has quickly worked out that enforcement of any outside restrictions are useless.

[pittesq]

» The State Legislature here in New Jersey has just passed a NO SMOKING Bill

» for all indoor confines - except Gambling Casinos and currently

» established cigar bars ---- NJ is the 11th State to go this route and the

» trend is picking up momentum and looks likely to pass in 18 more States in

» 2006.....

»

» It's a good thing that our State Motto gives us guidance as to what to do

» in such a situation......

»

» "In Jersey anything's legal as long as you don't get caught !";-)

At least cigars bars are exempted. Could be a lot worse if they weren't. DC is considering doing the same thing, again with the exception for cigar bars which obviously is what I care about.