Ken Gargett Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 interesting comparison. http://riggosrag.com/2014/01/23/whos-better-joe-gibbs-bill-belichick/?utm_source=FanSided+Daily&utm_medium=email
brutusthebuckeye Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 Good read...Belachiken wins 1 Super Bowl without Brady imho.... Gibbs gets my vote!
bogglor Posted January 25, 2014 Posted January 25, 2014 Belichick and I really don't think it's all that close. If you look at the types of teams that both won the Patriots SBs and the 2 losses against the Giants, they all had incredibly different offensive systems, stylistically. Sure, Brady was at the center of them but they were all so distinct from one another ('01 was dink and dunk, completely safe stuff, '04/'05 were Corey Dillon run-heavy/screen pass oriented, '07 was the bombs away offense with Moss/Welker, '12 the dual TE system) I think that matches up just as well with the "Joe Gibbs won 3 SBs with 3 different QBs" angle, And I don't think there is a better coach at making in-game adjustments.
pbibby Posted January 25, 2014 Posted January 25, 2014 ^If there wasn't spygate, then yes. But since he was caught cheating to win a superbowl(s) then I'm not sure.
Ken Gargett Posted January 25, 2014 Author Posted January 25, 2014 they were all so distinct from one another ('01 was dink and dunk, completely safe stuff, '04/'05 were Corey Dillon run-heavy/screen pass oriented, '07 was the bombs away offense with Moss/Welker, '12 the dual TE system) I think that matches up just as well with the "Joe Gibbs won 3 SBs with 3 different QBs" angle, that is a fair point but you have to remember that even if different systems, none of gibbs' QB's came within cooee of the ability of brady. gibbs was three SB's with three pretty ordinary QB's.
Dozerhead Posted January 25, 2014 Posted January 25, 2014 that is a fair point but you have to remember that even if different systems, none of gibbs' QB's came within cooee of the ability of brady. gibbs was three SB's with three pretty ordinary QB's. I always liked Gibbs but why did he fail his second go around? Was it Snyder or did the game pass him by? Just curious because he seemed quite ordinary as a coach during his second stint.
Laxman Posted January 25, 2014 Posted January 25, 2014 Tough call there. Not a big Steeler fan but Chuck Knoll had 4 wins I believe. Gibbs does not get the hype he deserves and Bilchick seems to get all the hype.
Ken Gargett Posted January 25, 2014 Author Posted January 25, 2014 i suspect many reasons, probably synder among them, tho i gather gibbs still does some sort of consultancy for them so obviously no ill feeling. he was a much older man - i believe that in the first stint, he had a bed installed in his office and he slept there pretty much all season. i saw an interview where he said that the bell to stop work was the arrival of the garbage trucks at redskins park - usually around 3am - 4am. have also seen a number of interviews with the players of the day all saying that if their coach was prepared to work that hard and to put in that sort of commitment then they would do so as well. i don't think he had that drive the second stint. remember he was 40 when he kicked off first time, with no superbowls. then 65 the second time with nothing to prove. and 12 years out of the game must affect anyone. he also had the nascar interests so time split. re the 3 SB's. not only did he have 3 different QB's but also 3 different starting running backs. after his first stint, his record was 124 wins and 60 losses, and a post-season record of 16 wins and five losses. his combined winning percentage of .683 was third all-time, behind lombardi and madden.
Colt45 Posted January 25, 2014 Posted January 25, 2014 I'm not much for the sports fighting here, but Belichick has five superbowl rings - two as a Giants defensive coach under Parcells, three as a head coach. Parcells has no rings without Belichick. He has been one of the most consistent coaches in the game. As to taping teams, the person taping was out in the open on the sidelines - make it any better? No, but it was not hidden.... Pats championships were won, in large part, with stout defense...... It doesn't matter if he ends up being considered the "best" or not. How many cities / teams wish they had a coach and team that consistently delivers, year after year..... Patriots, Red Sox, Bruins, Celtics.....
FLB03TT Posted January 25, 2014 Posted January 25, 2014 To answer the original question: Vince Lombardi.
jpn Posted January 25, 2014 Posted January 25, 2014 To answer the original question: Vince Lombardi. No doubt. Lombardi.
Ken Gargett Posted January 25, 2014 Author Posted January 25, 2014 i suspect it is a much harder question to answer because so many variables, not least players under your command and influence of owners. but you'd be happy with any of them - belichik, gibbs, lombardi and a few others.
Jnaube Posted January 25, 2014 Posted January 25, 2014 Lombardi... And Tom Landry for the Dallas fan in me!
Colt45 Posted January 25, 2014 Posted January 25, 2014 i suspect it is a much harder question to answer because so many variables, not least players under your command and influence of owners. but you'd be happy with any of them - belichik, gibbs, lombardi and a few others. Of course - there have been great coaches in many different eras. In the era of free agency and the salary cap, it might be arguable that Belichick has equals, but there have been none better.
stillinger Posted January 25, 2014 Posted January 25, 2014 Between the two, I think it isn't much of a question, but all time? Parcells, Allen, Shula, Landry, Brown, Walsh, Lombardi and many others. I think BB loses points mainly because he had a transcendent QB in an era where QBs are so important. But he has done a great job of rebuilding and being so consistent. Every year, it's hard to do. Gibbs does lose a hair in his return, but he might have setup the team better with a better successor. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Livo Posted January 25, 2014 Posted January 25, 2014 Gibbs by far... Belichick is a great coach, but he's a defensive coach and the patriots, while they've had good defenses have always been known mostly for the offense. They're Tom Brady's team... Belichick has gone ten years without a super bowl. Gibbs never did that.
Dozerhead Posted January 25, 2014 Posted January 25, 2014 The Patriots seem to lose more talent each year to injuries, free agency, even felonies, but yet they still manage to post double digit win totals and make a deep playoff run each year. The fact that there hasn't been a drop off for over a decade (heck, they won 11 games with Matt Cassell for cryin' out loud) amazes me, especially in this day and age free agency and the salary cap. I may not agree with a lot of the things he says and does but he is the best in the business right now, imo. They hardly have anyone to throw to on offense and they lose most of their significant pieces on defense to injury this year and they still wind up in the Conference championship game. My team, the Texans, lose a few key pieces and the go 2-14. What the hell?? Best all time? That's hard to say because it is hard to compare eras. I'm surprised Bill Walsh hasn't got more love on this thread. I don't know if I would say he is the greatest but I think he's at least in the conversation. Not only was he innovative and highly succesful, but the Walsh coaching tree is pretty impressive.
DrunkenMonkey Posted January 25, 2014 Posted January 25, 2014 **** JAURON Did **** Jauron have one season over .500, or two?
mgravito Posted January 25, 2014 Posted January 25, 2014 I'm obviously biased, but I think it's Belichick. Back before 1992 you could trot roughly the same rosters out year to year due to the free agency rules. I have a lot of respect for Knoll, Gibbs, Walsh, etc. but doing it in an era where there is such a high turnover of players year after year and to have a team this consistently good, is extremely difficult. This year, for example, they had no business being a 12-4 team after losing a number of their best players and still kept it together. The one year Brady missed they went 11-5 with Matt Cassel. Yes, the same Matt Cassel that has failed miserably in both KC and Minnesota.
khomeinist Posted January 25, 2014 Posted January 25, 2014 Did **** Jauron have one season over .500, or two? I'm guessing one. That was quite a lucky season as well. I think Mike Brown had about 17 pick-6 plays that year.
aes8 Posted January 26, 2014 Posted January 26, 2014 Chuck Noll hands down. Not even close. Bradshaw couldn't understand a wonderlick test let alone pass one and Noll won four SB with him.
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