Popular Post El Presidente Posted January 12, 2021 Popular Post Posted January 12, 2021 1935 Take a look at the last two lines. 4 3
cgoodrich Posted January 13, 2021 Posted January 13, 2021 @El Presidente At lease they’re honest about their propaganda! 1 2
Chibearsv Posted January 13, 2021 Posted January 13, 2021 It’s not an ad, it’s a public service announcement. Havana tobacco must be defended! 3
JohnnyO Posted January 13, 2021 Posted January 13, 2021 Prez...the word propaganda in the English language has mostly had a negative aspect to it. However, in Spanish and Portuguese countries back in the day it meant advertising. Other similar words like publicidad comercial (commercial publications), mercadeo (marketing), anuncios (ads) are being used today to get away from that negative image. As a child I heard the word living in Venezuela and thought nothing of it, as it was advertising/commercials. In fact, La Real Academia Espanola who is the authority on Spanish languages, definitions, origins, clearly states it as advertising as we know it today. Now when I got stateside it, it was compared to the devil handing out pamphlets on the street corner. The ad is from 1930's, so the use stands to reason. John 2
Nino Posted January 13, 2021 Posted January 13, 2021 21 hours ago, El Presidente said: Take a look at the last two lines. Sorry Boss but being Spanish "Castellano" myself ( or "Gallego" in Cuban ) - Propaganda in this context just means "promoting" something ( propagar, promover ) and "Defense" means "to protect" in that context. Nothing to be ashamed of ... ? 1
Fugu Posted January 14, 2021 Posted January 14, 2021 4 hours ago, nino said: Sorry Boss but being Spanish "Castellano" myself ( or "Gallego" in Cuban ) - Propaganda in this context just means "promoting" something ( propagar, promover ) and "Defense" means "to protect" in that context. Nothing to be ashamed of ... ? Well, in addition to that, the Comisión* had been in operation from 1927 up until right into the Revolution. And in their time, had been crucial for the fostering and legal protection of the Cuban cigar, setting important rules and standards. So, not exactly nameless to cigar adepts... (* Comisión Nacional de Propaganda y Defensa del Tabaco Habano)
JohnnyO Posted January 15, 2021 Posted January 15, 2021 On 1/13/2021 at 3:40 PM, nino said: Sorry Boss but being Spanish "Castellano" myself ( or "Gallego" in Cuban ) - Propaganda in this context just means "promoting" something ( propagar, promover ) and "Defense" means "to protect" in that context. Nothing to be ashamed of ... ? You have me confused Galicia and Castile are two separate regions in Spain so I don't know how someone can identify you as both. Older languages and cultures also separate them. Gallego is not a word of Cuban origin, it refers to a person from Galicia, the most Northwest corner of Spain.
Nino Posted January 15, 2021 Posted January 15, 2021 6 hours ago, JohnnyO said: You have me confused Galicia and Castile are two separate regions in Spain so I don't know how someone can identify you as both. Older languages and cultures also separate them. Gallego is not a word of Cuban origin, it refers to a person from Galicia, the most Northwest corner of Spain. While your geography is not bad you just failed basic "Cubanese" ... ? Nope - you're totally wrong and all over the place . Ask a Cuban and come back ? 6 hours ago, JohnnyO said: You have me confused Galicia and Castile are two separate regions in Spain so I don't know how someone can identify you as both. Older languages and cultures also separate them. Gallego is not a word of Cuban origin, it refers to a person from Galicia, the most Northwest corner of Spain. Helping you out : A Spaniard will always be called a Gallego anywhere in South America and specially so in countries like Cuba or Argentina - regardless where he is originally from in Spain, from Galicia, Andalucia, Castilla or the Canary islands .... Reason is that most immigrants from Spain to Latin America/the world used to be from the poor region of Galicia, so anyone of Spanish descent, whatever his origins, was and is called a Gallego. I have been called a Gallego ( and identify myself as one just by being Spanish ) ever since visiting Cuba 16 years ago. Pleasure. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_language_in_the_Americas https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_Spanish From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. El Gallego in Spanish means 'The Galician', but Cubans apply it to anyone likened to Spanish immigrants. https://academic.oup.com/jsh/article-abstract/52/3/705/4957016?redirectedFrom=fulltext On the eve of World War I, Havana boasted the second largest urban community of Iberian Galicians in the world, after Buenos Aires. The size of its immigrant population made it a core of Galician politics and culture, as one of the main centers of the Galician diaspora community in Latin America, which amounted then to more than half a million persons between Argentina, Cuba, Uruguay, Brazil and the United States. Galicians left a deep imprint on modern Cuban society. This legacy could be seen in the persistence of ambiguous stereotypes about gallegos in Cuban popular theatre and cinematography until the 1950s. Numerous Galicians experienced fast-paced, upward social mobility during the first decades of the twentieth century. And the network of Galician local associations in Havana influenced the development of social mobilization in their country of origin during the first decades of the twentieth century. This was a multifaceted phenomenon, which found expression in dozens of initiatives that took place at the local level, linking Galician parishes in Europe with their “neighbors” now residing in Havana. The present essay looks at the diverse forms of interaction between the Galician community in Cuba and the sociopolitical movements that developed in Spain during the first half of the twentieth century. 2
PuroDiario Posted January 15, 2021 Posted January 15, 2021 3 hours ago, JohnnyO said: You have me confused Galicia and Castile are two separate regions in Spain so I don't know how someone can identify you as both. Older languages and cultures also separate them. Gallego is not a word of Cuban origin, it refers to a person from Galicia, the most Northwest corner of Spain. Nino is correct. Most immigration into Cuba was from Asturias and Galicia (Ramon Allones, Menendez y Cia, etc. were Asturians), the Fanjuls now sugar moguls in USA were also Asturians. "Gallego" is a common term utilized across Latin America to describe the Spanish immigrants that fled Spain. The first wave of those emigrants came out of Galicia mostly, a north west region in Spain that used to be extremely isolated from the rest of the country and its rural economy struggled most. 1
Nino Posted January 16, 2021 Posted January 16, 2021 10 hours ago, PuroDiario said: Most immigration into Cuba was from Asturias and Galicia (Ramon Allones, Menendez y Cia, etc. were Asturians), the Fanjuls now sugar moguls in USA were also Asturians. Indeed - I took a long road trip around Cantabria, Asturias and Galicia 10 years ago and saw many names that I first heard in Cuba, very fascinating. Fidel & Raul Castro's father was a Galician immigrant who became a wealthy landowner in Cuba. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ángel_Castro_y_Argiz Ángel Castro was born in Láncara, in a small fieldstone house typical of the poor Galician peasants of that time.[1]:25 When he was sixteen or seventeen, he was conscripted into the Spanish military, and came to Cuba during the second War of Independence. He was stationed in the tract of land between Júcaro and Morón.[1] Following the Spanish defeat in 1898, Castro went with the army back to Spain and returned to Láncara. A cavalryman in the Spanish Army with no future he finally decided having fought for Spanish Cuba to emigrate to Cuba through the port of Havana in 1905, shortly after an uncle had done so.[2] He arrived in 1906 with his brother Pedro “And without a cent he started to work, being infuriated of the American control of the former Spanish colony” Fidel remarked in one of many interviews later in life.[3] The immigrants that returned to Spain after making a fortune overseas were called Indianos. Here a picture from Santander and a city in Cantabria twinned with Old Havana from my trip.
PuroDiario Posted January 16, 2021 Posted January 16, 2021 Yup. I am from Asturias myself, very entrenched cigar tradition. From all the farmers and businesses man that left there and then came back well off and no so well off. 1
Nino Posted January 16, 2021 Posted January 16, 2021 2 hours ago, PuroDiario said: I am from Asturias myself, very entrenched cigar tradition. From all the farmers and businesses man that left there and then came back well off and no so well off. Beautiful region that I passed on my road trip - Gijon, Oviedo - and stopped for a cigar on top of a mountain pass in the Picos de Europa mountains leading to the Castilian plain and south to my birthplace near Zamora. Your national anthem "Asturias patria querida" played on bagpipes sounds lovely to my ears ... ? 2
PuroDiario Posted January 16, 2021 Posted January 16, 2021 Miss it everyday! For the Australian folks here, maybe you recall this guy singing the regional anthem Nino refers to on TV (I think his grandmother was Asturian and that’s how he learned the song) and for all the others this one is a fun episode of Bourdain with Chef Jose Andres (also Asturian) eating around the area. 2
Nino Posted January 19, 2021 Posted January 19, 2021 On 1/16/2021 at 10:02 AM, nino said: Fidel & Raul Castro's father was a Galician immigrant who became a wealthy landowner in Cuba. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ángel_Castro_y_Argiz Ángel Castro was born in Láncara, in a small fieldstone house typical of the poor Galician peasants of that time.[1]:25 When he was sixteen or seventeen, he was conscripted into the Spanish military, and came to Cuba during the second War of Independence. He was stationed in the tract of land between Júcaro and Morón.[1] Here's an interesting video from 1992 of Fidel visiting his father's birth house in Galicia and being applauded by the usual useful village idiots there for the fresh octopus lunch. 2
Nino Posted January 21, 2021 Posted January 21, 2021 More interesting views of Fidel's and Raul's visits to Galicia/Spain where their father Angel was born in Lancara. The roots of the Castros. 2015. Lovely region - Very green, very rainy and very Celtic. Bagpipes rule ! PS : Funny to see the place twinned with La Lisa, a Havana neighbouhood I know quite well as many of my Cuban friends live there. Not a place many tourists will get close to ... 1
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