El Presidente Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 As a long suffering Bucs fan (less the glorious blip or 2002), we have rightfully earned the first round draft pic being the most hopeless team in the NFL competition We have holes everywhere to fill but QB is as big a hole as anywhere else. Bucs No 1 Draft Pick will go to a QB....or let's assume it will. Do you pick as your QB Mariota or Winston given their strengths and weaknesses (on and off field albeit Mariota is a cleanskin off). Are either really destined to make it down the track as an elite Franchise Quaterback?.....or should the Bucs trade down, fix some other holes, come last again (or close enough) and have a pick at a QB next year? Call it for this Bucs tragic .....who pays for his NFL game pass each year and gets up at 3am to watch the rubbish they dish out .....of course we did thrash the Redskins this year away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nrengle Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Wait a year pick up Braxton Miller or any of my other fine QB's at Ohio State. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dflan82 Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Hard to get equal trade value for the number 1 overall pick (price is usually too steep for franchises to mortgage their future) but that is probably what the Bucs should do. I just don't see either of these guys being worthy of the #1 pick. Just trust in Lovie to build up your Team Defense and Offensive Line...The Bears did that and they made it to the Super Bowl with (gulp)...Rex Grossman! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnS Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 As a long suffering Bucs fan (less the glorious blip or 2002), we have rightfully earned the first round draft pic being the most hopeless team in the NFL competition We have holes everywhere to fill but QB is as big a hole as anywhere else. Bucs No 1 Draft Pick will go to a QB....or let's assume it will. Do you pick as your QB Mariota or Winston given their strengths and weaknesses (on and off field albeit Mariota is a cleanskin off). Are either really destined to make it down the track as an elite Franchise Quaterback?.....or should the Bucs trade down, fix some other holes, come last again (or close enough) and have a pick at a QB next year? Call it for this Bucs tragic .....who pays for his NFL game pass each year and gets up at 3am to watch the rubbish they dish out .....of course we did thrash the Redskins this year away How come Ken has not responded to this?..especially the end comment! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
partriar Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 i have no watched a lot of Winston but have seen quite a bit of Mariota. I think he is a fantastic college player. Im not to sure he will convert to the pro league though. The 'Ducks' seem to run a very college style offense, with a running QB and that doesn't seem to translate well into the pro. The last example - Tebow. Mariota does have great arm strength so perhaps he could be transformed into a pro QB. He also has great vision which is absolutely essential I like have a dedicated pocket QB and i think thats what you need to build a franchise team around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Gargett Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 not responded before as been at tastings. ah, rex grossman. the skins were so bad that even that transcendent talent failed to shine there. the problem with the trade back theory is that you have to find a side willing to give up the farm for the spot. will any really want to do that? which means you are stuck with that pick. of course, there could be negotiations behind the scenes re QBs. one theory has san diego giving rivers and a pick to the titans for mariota, assuming you take winston. maybe you'll do that instead of the titans? perhaps you'll give up your next three first round picks for rg3. or perhaps you won't and then regret it in a few years when the world sees what a fit rg3 can do (provided jay grumby, head coach and chief dimwit, doesn't get in the way too much). be surprised if they do not go winston but who knows. raiders signing crabtree for a year today presumably makes it less likely they'll take a WR. so presumably flower and williams go 3/4, in whatever order. will give the skins wide scope. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShortFatHokie Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Wait a year pick up Braxton Miller or any of my other fine QB's at Ohio State. Don't waste money on damaged goods.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShortFatHokie Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 The Yuckaneers should trade down with the Philadelphia Eagles so that Chip Kelly can get his man, Mariota. Kelly is the only coach in the league that can get the most out Mariota...all the others will want him under center most of the time, not one of Mariota's strong points. The Yucks don't need Winston...he's nothing but trouble. Bryce Petty is probably the best of the rest in this year's QB draft, as far as needing a passing QB. It's really a bad year for needing a QB from the draft. The Yucks should probably look to fill other holes instead this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semifan1 Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 As a lifelong Seminoles fan. I will go with the obvious and say Winston, yes he had his off the field problems, but has been clean ever since. I think he got an unfair rap from the press a lot this year what other 21 year old has taken a beating in the press like that and still played good and Derrick Brooks (former seminole) already said he would mentor him, with that said I think winston is NFL ready, but he does take chances on some of his throws hence the interceptions this year. I would like to see him check down to the back more instead of trying to go downfield every time and forcing some throws. Tampa has good receivers in place already they need an Oline now to protect. Mariota is just a wild card, can he adapt to the NFL? play the actual season taking hits, where you have to read a defence. I look at the other QB's like him that all scramble and they don't last long after the 1st season. I think teams eventually catch up on how to play them. Only guy that has really done well is Russell Wilson and that is because he has a good D in seattle. Even Cam Newton is trying to stay in the pocket. Not say MM won't be a good QB, but he will need to play in a system that fits his style not a pro set that most teams run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anacostiakat Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 I think it will be Winston. If you are drafting a qb this year I am just not a fan of having to convert qb's to drop back passers. Now if you are not going to do that then it changes. Oh, and I expect the Redskins to have an improved defense (they will be picking an edge rusher or trading down IMHO). So I would not be so sure of a Bucs win. Of course what happens on their offensive line is a very big question. Not to mention qb! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrGTO Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 As a lifelong Seminoles fan. I will go with the obvious and say Winston, yes he had his off the field problems, but has been clean ever since. I think he got an unfair rap from the press a lot this year what other 21 year old has taken a beating in the press like that and still played good and Derrick Brooks (former seminole) already said he would mentor him, with that said I think winston is NFL ready, but he does take chances on some of his throws hence the interceptions this year. I would like to see him check down to the back more instead of trying to go downfield every time and forcing some throws. Tampa has good receivers in place already they need an Oline now to protect. Mariota is just a wild card, can he adapt to the NFL? play the actual season taking hits, where you have to read a defence. I look at the other QB's like him that all scramble and they don't last long after the 1st season. I think teams eventually catch up on how to play them. Only guy that has really done well is Russell Wilson and that is because he has a good D in seattle. Even Cam Newton is trying to stay in the pocket. Not say MM won't be a good QB, but he will need to play in a system that fits his style not a pro set that most teams run. If you mean raping someone gives you a bad rap I'd hate to see what you thought of a murderer.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wabashcr Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Gotta take Winston. He may blow up on you, but what are your alternatives? Mariota is a great kid and a nice talent. He'll probably have a nice career. But I'd be very hesitant to take a QB with his skill set from that offense. He'll be a good project for someone, but I wouldn't take him with the top pick when you have a guy like Winston with all the pro tools available. Trading the pick is probably not an option. I'm sure they could if they really didn't believe in either of the top QBs, but nobody really needs a QB more than Tampa. So if you don't take one at the top, where do you get one? Do you look for one of the second or third tier QBs later in the draft? It's worked for other teams, but the odds of getting a guy ready to play are much lower. You're not going to find a good QB via free agency or trade. And who knows if you'll be in position to draft a QB next year? You never know. I'd draft Winston, hope you can find O-line help and a weapon or two for him in later rounds. Your head coach is a defensive minded guy. Hope he and his staff can build a solid defense without draft help. With a little luck, and the way things are going in that division, you may be able to turn things around pretty quickly. Not 2015, but definitely 2016. That's how the NFL works anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmittyinAZ Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Well, If you had a decent team overall, either pick would be ok. They both have promising have upside although probably not franchise. BUT, the Bucs are not a good team as mentioned, too many holes. Trade down would be the smart thing when the franchise is not going to be no. 1, and I don't think these guys are franchise worthy. NFL teams are obsessed with drafting QBs, so unfortunately for you, Winston won't be leaving FL. And maybe staying in FL is a good thing for him, small towns, minimum media, no real relevancy down there for any NFL franchise in the last 10 years or so. Maybe just what he needs to learn how to become a decent pro. Good luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teamrandr Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 I would draft Mariota, Winstons off field issues wont get better after he has millions IMO. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dozerhead Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 As far as a football prospect, Winston is the clear choice at QB, imho. He's a pure pocket passer, who by all accounts, is a student of the game. I don't know if Mariota's game will translate to the NFL and it seems like there are times where he takes forever to make decisions on pass plays, something that will get him killed in the NFL. That being said, I think Winston is immature and has a history of making questionable decisions. I wouldn't want him as the leader and face of my franchise (if I had one!). He could still be a great NFL QB but he's too much a risk as the #1 overall pick, imo. I would personally trade the pic. There are plenty of holes on that team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riazp Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Bucs should go the cowboys route and build an O LIne...trade down, stock pile pics and build through the draft. Cowboys showed last year that with a great O Line, you can win. These #1 pics on QB's the past few drafts have been a crapshoot. BUT if you ask mariotta or winston. Its winston by far. most pro ready qb of the two. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Gargett Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Well, If you had a decent team overall, either pick would be ok. if you had a decent team overall, you wouldn't have the choice. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zrotfus Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 As far as a football prospect, Winston is the clear choice at QB, imho. He's a pure pocket passer, who by all accounts, is a student of the game. I don't know if Mariota's game will translate to the NFL and it seems like there are times where he takes forever to make decisions on pass plays, something that will get him killed in the NFL. That being said, I think Winston is immature and has a history of making questionable decisions. I wouldn't want him as the leader and face of my franchise (if I had one!). He could still be a great NFL QB but he's too much a risk as the #1 overall pick, imo. I would personally trade the pic. There are plenty of holes on that team. Completely agree. Better talent, most NFL ready, but much bigger risk. People here brushing off his sexual assault charges and the constant making an ass out of himself in public as "off the field issues" are losing sight of what being picked #1 overall and getting a hefty contract typically does to a young man's ego... I don't see that ending well for Jameis, or the Bucs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purpleloki Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 I would draft neither. You guys need to shore up that O-Line first or it wont matter who you put back there. Last year your QB's spent the entire season running for their lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schumi5 Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Mariota, without a doubt! Too many off field issues with Jameis, when your own attorney is saying you are not ready mentally for the NFL you know you have a problem. Plenty of red flags raised high on Jameis, if the Bucs ignore them and still pick him, they have no one to blame but themselves. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semifan1 Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 If you mean raping someone gives you a bad rap I'd hate to see what you thought of a murderer.... Oh, I see you're probably a vol fan so I can see the hurt. If you can show me where he was arrested for rape I would like to see that. Don't make this into something else buddy it's a simple discussion about the 2 QB's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geaux Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 I think the more important question to be asked here is --- WHY are you a Bucs fan? Seriously, with 32 teams to choose from, you end up cheering for the Bucs? What kind of crazy thought process lead you that direction??? Please tell me it was more than the orange colors.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brutusthebuckeye Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 I think both will be busts...Mariota is a "system"guy and Jameis is a Criminole and has no discipline...I could see him blowing up in weight like Ja'Marcus Russell .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semifan1 Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 I think both will be busts...Mariota is a "system"guy and Jameis is a Criminole and has no discipline...I could see him blowing up in weight like Ja'Marcus Russell .... Ya, tell me how Terrelle Pryor worked out so great in the NFL and the great things he did on campus to get money for tats and other stuff should we call him a Crimineye . We could all go back and fourth all day, but this thread was not about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brutusthebuckeye Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Ya, tell me how Terrelle Pryor worked out so great in the NFL and the great things he did on campus to get money for tats and other stuff should we call him a Crimineye . We could all go back and fourth all day, but this thread was not about that. Lol.....first off I never thought TP was that great of a QB...second how can you compare getting tats and selling stuff for money to being accused of not one but two rape/sexual assault cases....I love my Buckeyes but I'll be the first to admit that they have had there share of thugs and criminals(MoClarrett) or Terrlle Pryor like you say....and if somebody talked trash about them I could care less because there football players...Jameis Winston is a piece of $hit... face it dood! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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