Vitola Corleone

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  1. but it does. Almost every time. Easily the best performers in my humidor, holding age and marca constant, are PSP. 

    Being in the US, I rarely get the chance to appraise a range of boxes before purchase. Maybe I would be able to identify the same things that lead to a PSP or HQ designation. But I doubt it: When I get new boxes I rarely see or smell major differences. But when I smoke a PSP cigar, it almost always delivers an exceptional performance. 

    Am cognizant of the placebo effect but I don't think that's it. I usually don't notice the colored circle stickers before I pull a stick from the box. Usually only after I smoke an amazing stick I look at the box to see the sticker. 

    Whatever is in the secret sauce, it works for me. 

  2. Speaking of King James and tobacco the man himself hated the “Filthy weed” and wrote this missive to discourage its use: 

    A Counterblaste to Tobacco, 1604

    but he wasn’t above making a lot of money from it in customs revenue when Virginia discovered how to plant it 10 years later, and prohibited its growth in England to raise prices and make more money from the colonial product. 

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  3. 4 hours ago, El Presidente said:

    I don't believe they produce more than 80 million hand rolled cigars a year total. 

    The year after the GFC was the last time I saw a solid figure used and it was 63 Million from memory.  It wouldn't surprise me if that is about where they stand now. It certainly would help explain their supply situation. 

    They talk big numbers. They lie a lot. 

    OK that makes more sense. If the NC number 300 million is roughly accurate that means the US is more like ~7-8% CC's. Which is much more consistent with my experience of casual US smokers. It is not uncommon to find one who asks, "Have you ever smoked a cuban?" To which I reply, "Well there's this outfit in Australia..."

  4. 12 minutes ago, NSXCIGAR said:

    Vuelta Abajo scrap goes into the short fillers (LFDC, Quintero, RG) and  Puritos/Clubs/Minis (ICT products). 

    Scrap second-tier leaf (Vuelta Arriba, Semi Vuelta) goes into JLP, Troya and ultimately Cuban Peso cigars. And fakes. 

    Very little if anything is wasted.

    Interesting, thanks. Is there a known connection between scraps from premium marcas and particular short fillers? Does any specific short filler get the Partagas trimmings, or the Montecristo trimmings etc? Or do they put it all in a big pile? 

  5. 21 hours ago, El Presidente said:

    30% of production approximately 

    Interesting. So that is about 75 million cigars, give or take? 

    I vaguely remember once reading that the US imports (offically) about 300 million premium cigars every year. Which obviously does not count the Cubans. So that would mean something like 1/5 of the US cigar market is Cuban. 

    I wonder what Cuban imports in the US would be without the embargo. 

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  6. Related to a comment by @Habana Mike in another thread...

    How often do you think you get one, and how does that compare to any hard knowledge of how common they are? 

    Especially interested in opinions of experienced smokers. I've smoked only about 1000 CCs, but I legitimately believe none of them have been fake. Maybe that means I'm careful, maybe it means I'm naive and have a terrible palate.

    For most marcas I just can't see the economics of counterfeiting paying off. If you have convincing tobacco, rolls, wrappers, and packaging, why not just start your own cigar line? 

  7. 6 minutes ago, Nino said:

    I think you/they nailed it with that "when they want" comment. All goes back to being a socialist economy of not giving a f#+k about the customer.

    True enough but no less than Adam Smith put it thusly: "It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own self-interest." They don't have to care about the customer, just money. Habanos does work in a competitive international market and I am still naive enough not to have a good story for why this does not discipline them more. 

    Halfwheel is clear enough about their review philosophy, but since smoking fresh is not usually how I want to enjoy cigars, I don't find their philosophy all that informative. Still, even when I smoke CC's within a month of receipt, and < 6 months box age, I almost always like them better than the halfwheel guys. Conversely, I don't smoke many NCs but I rarely like any as much as these guys like a ton of them. So, I put it down to different tastes, most of all. "I don't know what they're smoking," in a manner of speaking. 

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  8. Re. LFDC magicos -- I'm already through most of a box. I think it's a 2019 code though a 2020 release. Very nice. Has a strong mixed nuts flavor, intensified on retrohale. Don't have enough experience with the LFDC profile to say whether the magicos capture it, but it's not quite like anything I've had before. 

    Re. LGC D5 -- just had one of these, 2017 box. Also unique, and good. Cream and grapefruit, of all things. Not something I'd want everyday, but interesting.

    The magicos flavor profile is something I'd reach for more often, but both are worth smoking. 

  9. Enjoying the replies here. Was surprised to see PL Monte Carlo mentioned by a few -- I had thought it an obscure cigar, and only just got my first box earlier this month. Had one and enjoyed it very much. Also cool to see that very available smokes like the PSD4 still hold interest for people with immense collections and wide experience. 

    With a thread like this you can think, what's the point, smoke what you like, who cares what others like. However there's a lot of information when a lot of people name the same choices, like Parti shorts which I still have yet to ever smoke but am reminded I should try. The lists are also a rudimentary form of the recommended books feature on Amazon -- "people who like the Connie A also like..." Would be fun to do more systematically, and probably possible with review data from the cuban cigar website. Not that I'm going to try :)

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  10. 4 hours ago, moneyneversleeps said:

    Had R&J churchill from the Christmas sampler and really enjoyed it.  Notice that a lot of users have the wides on their list.  Same taste profile as the Churchills?  Thanks.

    I definitely get a family resemblance across the churchill line, and I like them all. For the ring gauge, the wide does a nice job of maintaining a coherent flavor. But I don't get as much cherry out of it, or as much evolution, as the (regular) churchill. Also be sure to give the Exhibicion 4 a try -- I get more depth and mineral taste from them than either the wide or short churchill. 

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  11. I'm interested to expand my horizons by seeing what others love on a regular basis. Not your wish list, not your special occasion smokes, but the regulars. 

    Me right now: Hoyo DC, Upmann Connie A, Monte 4. Honorable mention to Bolivar RC and R&J Churchill. Subject to change in a month.

    Apologies if this is a rehash -- haven't seen a thread like this recently, and didn't see any in a forum search. 

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